New Job: Dark Knight

[rog]

Lack of a crit-hit WS in Abyssea is the biggest problem with DRK atm.

and no, Rampage doesn't count.

Why not? Axe is their best weapon right now.

[Selzak]

Why not? Axe is their best weapon right now.

Well, because that means DRK is (at best) a gimp WAR.

The job should be able to bring its own benefits to the table, not a mock version of something else.

[rog]

Well, because that means DRK is (at best) a gimp WAR.

The job should be able to bring its own benefits to the table, not a mock version of something else.

Ok, but it's still their best weapon. You can't just ignore rampage because it seems silly.

[Selzak]

Ok, but it's still their best weapon. You can't just ignore rampage because it seems silly.

That's why it doesn't count.

[Urteil]

Ok, but it's still their best weapon. You can't just ignore rampage because it seems silly.

Its about as silly as DRK being best when using a club.

[Khajit]

is there? when i first started playing the whole plan was to be a drk. from what i see, i thought they got hooked up with some nice spells and what not. whats wrong with em?

Thier best weapon is currently axe or Gaxe if you want to consider fell cleaving, Apoc became trash because there's so much haste in the game now that it's impossible to get your gear haste low enough to use the aftermath and cata's use itself is no longer needed when mages have unlimited mp to curebomb you, scythe has no crit ws and can barely break 1k, gsword's POWER SLASH is one of the most powerful ws a drk gets when everyone else (in decent/good gear)is busting out 3~6k to demonstrate how pathetic gsword ws are atm, the empyrian weapons are the weakest for any job barring drg, BRD is an outright stronger DD than drk atm due to daggers+ evisceration, using any spells at all weakens your damage, Hasso from the best DD sj slows down any spells that might help even more and the only 2 real upgrades to drk damage are the critical attack bonuses and the twilight scythe's additional effect death proc.
Drk didnt even get to use some drk exclusive spells for greelow proc which would have at least forced some groups to at least consider drks for NM kills.
Even SE/BW zerging is probably weak now thanks to every other job actually having decent damage buffs enough to probably make them superior.

[Selzak]

Thier best weapon is currently axe or Gaxe if you want to consider fell cleaving, Apoc became trash because there's so much haste in the game now that it's impossible to get your gear haste low enough to use the aftermath and cata's use itself is no longer needed when mages have unlimited mp to curebomb you, scythe has no crit ws and can barely break 1k, gsword's POWER SLASH is one of the most powerful ws a drk gets when everyone else (in decent/good gear)is busting out 3~6k to demonstrate how pathetic gsword ws are atm, the empyrian weapons are the weakest for any job barring drg, BRD is an outright stronger DD than drk atm due to daggers+ evisceration, using any spells at all weakens your damage, Hasso from the best DD sj slows down any spells that might help even more and the only 2 real upgrades to drk damage are the critical attack bonuses and the twilight scythe's additional effect death proc.
Drk didnt even get to use some drk exclusive spells for greelow proc which would have at least forced some groups to at least consider drks for NM kills.
Even SE/BW zerging is probably weak now thanks to every other job actually having decent damage buffs enough to probably make them superior.

Caladbolg is pretty powerful, if you want to consider an Empyrean weapon in all of this (which I guess we can, since Apoc was mentioned).

Also, Apoc is definitely not trash. It got a big relative nerf, and it's not a game-changer anymore for DRK...but I think a lot of people exaggerate when it comes to Apocalypse.

[Sparthos]

Why not? Axe is their best weapon right now.

It's been explained already but Rampage being their best weaponskill not only makes their main weapons useless but also highlights the primary failing of the class.

The same idea carries over to COR being best right now with Evisceration assuming said COR doesn't have Wildfire. It's merely just a workaround of the problem with critWS being so overpowered atm.

DRK will benefit greatly from post-Abyssea content. The current crits or GTFO mentality is not helping the class in the slightest.

[Khajit]

Caladbolg is pretty powerful, if you want to consider an Empyrean weapon in all of this (which I guess we can, since Apoc was mentioned).

Also, Apoc is definitely not trash. It got a big relative nerf, and it's not a game-changer anymore for DRK...but I think a lot of people exaggerate when it comes to Apocalypse.

Your best weapon for damage is an AXE. A lv 71 maneater beats out relic weapons on a job that doesnt have axe as an A skill. Yes all the empy/mythic weapons for drk are technically trash atm. It is a problem that needs to be fixed and being in denial will only help SE be in denial too until drks admit it to themselves.

[Selzak]

Your best weapon for damage is an AXE. A lv 71 maneater beats out relic weapons on a job that doesnt have axe as an A skill. Yes all the empy/mythic weapons for drk are technically trash atm.

I guess we have different definitions of trash. Also might be looking at the game from different perspectives. Axe is definitely the best weapon for damage, but I wouldn't call an upgraded Apoc or Caladbolg trash- especially when you consider parts of the game that aren't abyssea.