Please remove COP requirements on reforged relic and AF

[Mefuki]

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult but I just don't see how this, of all things, is a "roadblock". Getting through the Necropolis by yourself is a roadblock. Acquiring your 3 Beastman king kills in Aht Urgan is a roadblock. Getting to floor 100 in old Neo-Nyzul was a roadblock.

CoP can be entirely soloed and only takes a couple of days or even A day to finish. I guess I'm just failing to see how this "roadblock" differs from having to have Rank 6 to do Dynamis then needing city clears to get into Dynamis-Beaucdine, needing Zilart missions to do Ark Angels, or needing to level Toad to 90 for that excellent 20% Haste instinct. It's all stuff that has a great benefit to complete and is fully within reach for any player to do.

But I guess some of us just have different ideas about what "roadblock" means.

[Olor]

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult but I just don't see how this, of all things, is a "roadblock". Getting through the Necropolis by yourself is a roadblock. Acquiring your 3 Beastman king kills in Aht Urgan is a roadblock. Getting to floor 100 in old Neo-Nyzul was a roadblock.

CoP can be entirely soloed and only takes a couple of days or even A day to finish. I guess I'm just failing to see how this "roadblock" differs from having to have Rank 6 to do Dynamis then needing city clears to get into Dynamis-Beaucdine, needing Zilart missions to do Ark Angels, or needing to level Toad to 90 for that excellent 20% Haste instinct. It's all stuff that has a great benefit to complete and is fully within reach for any player to do.

But I guess some of us just have different ideas about what "roadblock" means.

It's about having to do unrelated, 10 year old story content to use the items I can already get to upgrade armor I already have. That's the difference. If you had to finish ToAU to unlock monstrosity - that would be a roadblock. If you had to finish Wings of the Goddess to enter Adoulin - that would be a roadblock.

You don't even need rank 6 etc to get gear from dyna beaucidine - you can get it from the login campaigns.

As I said above, I'd even be happy to settle for just not needing to finish COP for the relic upgrades - it just doesn't make sense to let me upgrade them to +2 and then to say HA HA HA HA too bad go solo 5 days worth of COMPLETELY UNRELATED cut scenes to get access to the next level!

If there was a "reforging quest" I would do it, that would be reasonable - but COP has nothing to do with reforging.

[Gannon]

AF and Relic upgrading have been related to CoP for years. Now it actually matters and is exposing the lazy folk for who they really are.

[Lithera]

It has everything to do with reforging. How do you not see that they chose to tie it to the only npc that dealt with the original way to upgrade those parts? Also the rewards from log-in change so that is not an every day option also it requires you to holy crap get a lot of points to get more than one item. You would still have a higher chance of getting the piece if you go into dynamis and farm it. Meanwhile you get dynamis currency that you can sell for various reasons. Again until we know other wise this path is/was the only way they could put it into the game because how they code things. I doubt SE went oh let's see how can we screw over a minority of players with our new reforging system? Before they went and put it in.

Olor why do you even play ROLEPLAYING games in the first place if you don't like the story? That is probably the #1 thing that is thought of and a lot of time spent on in an RPG. There are better types of games where you can do all of the things you say you love to do. Like action/adventure games, or survival horror, fps ect.

Edit: it was me and those steps before the fight are normally a different mission. They normally have been good in not needing to do too much before the fight when it comes to the mission they are a part of.

[AppropriateName5786]

Olor why do you even play ROLEPLAYING games in the first place if you don't like the story? That is probably the #1 thing that is thought of and a lot of time spent on in an RPG. There are better types of games where you can do all of the things you say you love to do. Like action/adventure games, or survival horror, fps ect.

I seriously don't remember the last time I saw a Taru player talk in rhymes or lisp in party chat, or a Mithra player who adds thrrree "r"s to everrry worrrd with an "r." Which part of FFXI's story has brave adventurers AFKzaaring for hours on end until a decent shout shows up? Which hero of Altana killed the same mob for 6 hours straight to buy several KIs for the AA fights? ROLEPLAYING is 5% of this game's content, if even that. The rest is a gear treadmill, which has nothing to do with roleplaying. For instance, when I'm in Nyzul Isle doing stuff, the last thing I care about is that the ruins are protected by an undersea bubble and that the columns might be able to rotate etc. No, I care about finding the right enemy to kill, and finding a lamp to activate. The OP has already repeated numerous times that he/she will complete the story and likes it, but having the expansion block content that is relevant in March of 2014 is the issue which no one seems to understand.

Also, the story is good, but if it's as good as everyone claims, then it deserves to be done of its own merit and the people arguing against the OP wouldn't have to keep repeating "But it's so good!" like a broken record. Do the best TV shows beg people to watch them? No, people tune in by the millions to watch something worth watching. In the same vein, people like the OP and other new players "tune in" to FFXI to fight the interesting battles that everyone else is fighting and collect ilevel gear, not to go through content that's almost a decade old, watching cutscenes that have been on youtube for years, and running around a world that is so empty you can easily run into a couple lottery spawn NMs per zone without even trying.

[Ravenmore]

I seriously don't remember the last time I saw a Taru player talk in rhymes or lisp in party chat, or a Mithra player who adds thrrree "r"s to everrry worrrd with an "r." Which part of FFXI's story has brave adventurers AFKzaaring for hours on end until a decent shout shows up? Which hero of Altana killed the same mob for 6 hours straight to buy several KIs for the AA fights? ROLEPLAYING is 5% of this game's content, if even that. The rest is a gear treadmill, which has nothing to do with roleplaying. For instance, when I'm in Nyzul Isle doing stuff, the last thing I care about is that the ruins are protected by an undersea bubble and that the columns might be able to rotate etc. No, I care about finding the right enemy to kill, and finding a lamp to activate. The OP has already repeated numerous times that he/she will complete the story and likes it, but having the expansion block content that is relevant in March of 2014 is the issue which no one seems to understand.

Also, the story is good, but if it's as good as everyone claims, then it deserves to be done of its own merit and the people arguing against the OP wouldn't have to keep repeating "But it's so good!" like a broken record. Do the best TV shows beg people to watch them? No, people tune in by the millions to watch something worth watching. In the same vein, people like the OP and other new players "tune in" to FFXI to fight the interesting battles that everyone else is fighting and collect ilevel gear, not to go through content that's almost a decade old, watching cutscenes that have been on youtube for years, and running around a world that is so empty you can easily run into a couple lottery spawn NMs per zone without even trying.

Then why buy any game, all the CS will end up on youtube in a couple of weeks after release and you would save 60 to 70 bucks a pop. I know it you want to say it's not the same but really it is. Also would everyone stop kidding them selves into thinking there is some great influx of new players there isn't and hasn't been since xbox release. Even if you took away CoP requirement those few new players we do get would hit cap and cap out on gear with in a couple of months and off to the next MMO they want to kill time with.

Hey I even understand the limited play time thing and not wanting to do a expansion's missions but I also accept that if SoA(which has tropes I'm totally sick of) were to offer a amazing reward at the end or a new endgame activity I would either have to suck up my dislike of SoA missions and story or do without at this point most likely do with out. Some of reforge is good but it no where near game breaking and just like it was before most of it is macro pieces. But you know what the great thing about it is, you don't need to have CoP finished to do the content that the chapters come from so the biggest problem with gated content is removed, just stock pile a bunch of chapters while finishing CoP.

[Crevox]

Also would everyone stop kidding them selves into thinking there is some great influx of new players there isn't and hasn't been since xbox release.

So let's all just give up on making changes that would make the game better for new players! Clearly no one new plays this game anyways, and it's bound to fail soon due to zero new players ever playing it.

</ end obvious sarcasm>

[Demonjustin]

AF and Relic upgrading have been related to CoP for years. Now it actually matters and is exposing the lazy folk for who they really are.

I completed CoP, I finished the expansion long ago, I still agree with removing the requirement, this makes me lazy because...?

[Gannon]

I completed CoP, I finished the expansion long ago, I still agree with removing the requirement, this makes me lazy because...?

Then that makes you arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Crevox]

Then that makes you arguing for the sake of arguing.

I did the expansion already too, if you read the thread. It means we care about the game going into the future for new players, and aren't just trying to skip a requirement like so many of you are trying so hard to believe.

Yes, there are also people in this thread that haven't done it yet and want this change, but that's because it's a good change to make.