Please remove COP requirements on reforged relic and AF

[Demonjustin]

AF and Relic upgrading have been related to CoP for years. Now it actually matters and is exposing the lazy folk for who they really are.

I completed CoP, I finished the expansion long ago, I still agree with removing the requirement, this makes me lazy because...?

[Gannon]

I completed CoP, I finished the expansion long ago, I still agree with removing the requirement, this makes me lazy because...?

Then that makes you arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Crevox]

Then that makes you arguing for the sake of arguing.

I did the expansion already too, if you read the thread. It means we care about the game going into the future for new players, and aren't just trying to skip a requirement like so many of you are trying so hard to believe.

Yes, there are also people in this thread that haven't done it yet and want this change, but that's because it's a good change to make.

[Demonjustin]

I did the expansion already too, if you read the thread. It means we care about the game going into the future for new players, and aren't just trying to skip a requirement like so many of you are trying so hard to believe.

Isn't it kinda funny how if the request is not selfish in at least some way that we are seemingly not allowed to make the request in the first place?

[Demonjustin]

Then that makes you arguing for the sake of arguing.

No, it makes me arguing for the sake of others, rather than just myself. I have said multiple times and will continue to do so that this change would do nothing more than help new players, it would hurt current or older players in no way at all while making the game easier to access for newer players.

Now
You completed CoP already? You are allowed to upgrade your gear.
You didn't complete CoP yet? You must do this first to upgrade your gear.
You are new to the game and haven't done CoP? You must do this first to upgrade your gear, no exceptions.

Proposed change.
You completed CoP already? You are allowed to upgrade your gear.
You didn't complete CoP yet? You are allowed to upgrade your gear.
You are new to the game and haven't done CoP? You are allowed to upgrade your gear.

Tell me, what is bad about this change? How is this arguing for the sake of arguing when it would benefit others even if I myself will gain nothing from it?

[Zarchery]

Tell me, what is bad about this change? How is this arguing for the sake of arguing when it would benefit others even if I myself will gain nothing from it?

I think what's bad about the change is that the hurdle it asks to remove is an insignificant one. Problem with this is that if you remove one insignificant hurdle, there will still be other insignificant hurdles that people don't like. Every time that someone doesn't like a task, there will be a demand to remove it, along with the justification "it is a good idea because it will attract new players".

"I don't like collecting Rem's Tales to reforge my relic. Please remove this requirement. It will attract new players."
"I like the home point warp system but I don't like walking around to activate the home points. Please have them all pre-activated. It will attract new players."
"I want to be a PLD, but I don't want to do a quest to unlock it. Please have all jobs unlocked at the beginning. It will attract new players."
"I don't like levelling. Please start all jobs out at 99. It will attract new players."

Someone in another thread likened this meme to the tendency of lobbyists in real life to advocate all sorts of legislation on the idea that it will create jobs. I like this comparison because it is so apt.

Crevox, who is such a big advocate of this, burnt out and quit after two months, during which, reading his posts, he hated just about every minute of the game. Exactly how profitable is it for Square Enix to bend over backwards to attract players like that? Even if the CoP requirements were removed, they'd just find some other insignificant thing to claim was "blocking" them and demand that be removed. Doing Walk of Echoes requires you to get through 5 quests in Wings of the Goddess, out of the 67 in the entire storyline. It takes a few hours at best. I helped a guy do this last month and he complained at every step of the way, and ragequit a month later.

I guess what I'm saying is that the CoP requirements may seem pointless, but they're sort of like application fees you pay or initiation rites you go through to join some clubs. They show you're serious. If you can't deal with the easy stuff, you're never gonna make it through the hard parts.

[Demonjustin]

"I don't like collecting Rem's Tales to reforge my relic. Please remove this requirement. It will attract new players."
"I like the home point warp system but I don't like walking around to activate the home points. Please have them all pre-activated. It will attract new players."
"I want to be a PLD, but I don't want to do a quest to unlock it. Please have all jobs unlocked at the beginning. It will attract new players."
"I don't like levelling. Please start all jobs out at 99. It will attract new players."

This is why this conversation is pointless.

[Crevox]

This is why this conversation is pointless.

It's not worth reading his posts. He just puts words in everyone's mouth and doesn't read anything anyone says. He wants to believe that all newbies just want to get rushed to end game, hate the game, and don't want to do anything. He wants to believe that so hard he will just keep posting it in every thread over and over and over. I've given up on him.

[Zarchery]

It's not worth reading his posts. He just puts words in everyone's mouth and doesn't read anything anyone says. He wants to believe that all newbies just want to get rushed to end game, hate the game, and don't want to do anything. He wants to believe that so hard he will just keep posting it in every thread over and over and over. I've given up on him.

How's that ignore function working out for you?

You, very obviously want to rush to endgame. You already did, then complained about it.

[Olor]

I think what's bad about the change is that the hurdle it asks to remove is an insignificant one. Problem with this is that if you remove one insignificant hurdle, there will still be other insignificant hurdles that people don't like. Every time that someone doesn't like a task, there will be a demand to remove it, along with the justification "it is a good idea because it will attract new players".

"I don't like collecting Rem's Tales to reforge my relic. Please remove this requirement. It will attract new players."
"I like the home point warp system but I don't like walking around to activate the home points. Please have them all pre-activated. It will attract new players."
"I want to be a PLD, but I don't want to do a quest to unlock it. Please have all jobs unlocked at the beginning. It will attract new players."
"I don't like levelling. Please start all jobs out at 99. It will attract new players."

I'd appreciate it if you stayed on topic. I am not asking for any of these things. Please keep your criticism to the matter at hand. If other players request the things you are asking for, you are welcome to criticize those requests in the appropriate thread.

I'd appreciate it if you responded to my specific request or refrained from posting in this thread, thanks.