PS2 limitation new Zone solution.

[Randwolf]

That add nothing complex to coding >< I bet you anything DEV spend 90% of they time to figure how they going to fit next expansion on PS2.

I doubt it. You normally would start with your most restrictive parameters and expand to the other operating systems, which allow you to do more. There was a reason WoW stopped Windows 98 support 'cold turkey' instead of zone by zone, as you suggest.

[annewandering]

If there is no problem with ps2s now then why do the ps2 players have so much trouble lately with updates? SE has bent over backwards to keep FFXI on as many platforms as possible but one of these days people are just going to have to realize that even Atari bit the dust. Just because some people still have Ataris is no reason for game makers to decide to port modern games to them any more than they should be held to a product as old as ps2. Even Play Station has moved on.
What we need is a way to phase them out gradually so the ps2 users can have time to replace their old consoles. Those consoles really are going to die eventually and some people just need a bit of incentive to change type of machine.

[NightDagger]

A mac is a PC. It is a personal Computer. You can install bootcamp, and load up windows of your choice, and voila...


2k is the upper limit I'd pay. Are you a photo, video, or music creator?

I love bootcamp but can't rely on my wife making sure she turns the fan speed up (she alread friend the HDD & video card on me once)

And yes I take wedding photo's & family photo's with my mother in-law & make dvd's for them.

[NightDagger]

Exactly what i was saying with new zone for none-PS2 user, and i find this fair enough since 92% player base are not on PS2/PS3. I still think is less brutal then totally tell them that SE don't support them at all.

Of course that will cost SE $$$ for development, but they don't have to redo a complete new game with 100 new zone, just 2~3 new zone as beta-release would be already a net progress. And if is not perfect day 1 (as it was the case of 14) who care? We still have our old zone without bug available to play. In the end i am sure that would increase player base of FFXI which is sadly maybe not anymore they prio with 14

Not trying to flam or troll, just That JP Button site has to be off. It stats that 30% of JP users are playing on PS2. but it is only 6%? must be old data or they are saying hardly any JP's play lol

Just something I read & have a hard time believing.

Oh and SE stated last year that FFXI will be fully supported until 2013 & they have already got new full expansion in the development. After 2013 they do not what will happen, it will depend solely on the player base at that time.

So this means that they have zero intention of eliminating the PS2 & are still goingto continue to work around there limitations. (I will search for the press release this is stated in, I know it was one from when FFXIV was getting ready for Alpha Testing)

[Zyeriis]

Not trying to flam or troll, just That JP Button site has to be off. It stats that 30% of JP users are playing on PS2. but it is only 6%? must be old data or they are saying hardly any JP's play lol

Just something I read & have a hard time believing.

Oh and SE stated last year that FFXI will be fully supported until 2013 & they have already got new full expansion in the development. After 2013 they do not what will happen, it will depend solely on the player base at that time.

So this means that they have zero intention of eliminating the PS2 & are still goingto continue to work around there limitations. (I will search for the press release this is stated in, I know it was one from when FFXIV was getting ready for Alpha Testing)

That 30% statistic is from 2 years ago, from a survey. I wouldn't take that seriously at all.
That "expansion pack" is Abbysea I'm about 95% sure on that, considering that was over a year ago.

[NightDagger]

That 30% statistic is from 2 years ago, from a survey. I wouldn't take that seriously at all.
That "expansion pack" is Abbysea I'm about 95% sure on that, considering that was over a year ago.

Tough to say cause the first Abyssea was already out with the second following soon. But I also can not confirm whether it is or is not.

[Nataskiller]

I was thinking about it, SE could make totally new zone for none-PS2 player, those new zone would have new graphic/monster/texture etc.

Let say the same gear would drop from these zone, let say that could be NEW abyssea alternative for everyone that is not playing on PS2 console. I think that would open a new world for DEV, and also could interest tons of new player, without leaving PS2 support, also note how it would decrease zone occupation.

Some of you might remember many of my comment saying how this game need a better challenge, this would open the door for it New monster could be harder for the same gear stats but they have different color/texture, so in the end it could interest back the hardcore player.

for sure all this is possible, the real question is if SE have the $$$ for a project like that, but what you guys think about the idea?

we all wish it was that easy...but sadly that would mess with the whole community its like runescape...you have to buy membership to access certain area's armor and mobs and crafting skills and magic...just completely not fair for people who still own and play off a PS2...if anything SE should implement a option for PC and XBOX360 users to turn up graphics?

[Nephilipitou]

we all wish it was that easy...but sadly that would mess with the whole community its like runescape...you have to buy membership to access certain area's armor and mobs and crafting skills and magic...just completely not fair for people who still own and play off a PS2...if anything SE should implement a option for PC and XBOX360 users to turn up graphics?

Graphics alone isn't enough. The devs need the freedom to make the game how they want to. Not to just make the game within the defined parameters. Imagine cutting down or even eliminating load times. Imagine more convenient item storages NPCs, or even ways to have item storage without needing NPCs. Imagine a redesigned interface that doesn't have to be compatible with 640x480 or lower displays (PS2 resolution) imagine being able to customize the interface, imagine just more freedom for them to make the game better. Imagine Auto-translate for every Abyssea NM Atma, etcetera as well as every NM involved in a Magian Trial or the items for those as well. Imagine not just the ability to have text chat with linkshells, parties, or friends, but being able to do voice chat as well, but without having to add a ton of people to a Ventrillo Client, or Skype etcetera. Maybe even a better PVP system, and especially faster version updates since they wouldn't have to test everything on PS2 every time.

I love bootcamp but can't rely on my wife making sure she turns the fan speed up (she alread friend the HDD & video card on me once)

And yes I take wedding photo's & family photo's with my mother in-law & make dvd's for them.

I wouldn't really call Family Photo DVDs something that requires a 5k mac. I was talking more of like higher end video editing and music editing. Do you just use mac because you like the O.S.? Do you use it because you hate Windows? Do you actually need Mac O.S.? Or is there some other reason. Right now I'm just curious.

If you have an iPhone, regularly use iTunes and have or are thinking of getting an iPad you can just say "I'm an Apple kinda guy" and i'll understand. I personally was about to switch to apple, but then, they pissed me off with their control freakiness and so I just stuck with windows. After Windows 7 came out I was really happy with that decision. Apple products just aren't for me.

[NightDagger]

No it is more professional photography. My mother in-law takes the pictures & I do ALL the editing on my Mac. Plus make the DVDs.

But yes OSx is amazing. i am apple all the way. You really do not know what you a missing until you own one. Took me about a month to get everything figured out on this & man let me tell you the things it can do is great. Not to mention that when editing photo's the graphics are unbeatable, the programs are greatly improved. Not to mention that if I want to fix a little blurb on someones forehead, i am able to zoom in to an extreme close up with little pixel lose. This allows me to get right in there when trying to get the best skin/color match to edit with.

I wish you lived close by I would let you actually see what a Mac can do. But yes I do want an IPad also lol. Wish apple would come out with a gaming console (they are saying in 2013 it will release, japan got one in 1995 I think but it flopped). Bet it would be very pricey but just amazing.

But in all seriousness a 5k mac is not that unheard of. A 27 inch IMac, with 16 GB Ram, 2.93 Ghz Quad Core, 2 TB Hdd with built in 256 GB Time Machine drive, add the mighty mouse & key pad, office 211, file manager & photoshop you are looking at 5-6k before tax. (time machine is awesome as it does real time backup if you would like it to)

[KorPoni]

It's completely natural that systems become out of date as game developers stop making games for that console, and we keep moving up to newer, better consoles. I really believe they should make "Final Fantasy XI-2" and allow players to choose to move their characters to the new game, where it's basically the same old game with expanded content, but it not support older systems like PS2, or just stay in FFXI with it's content at the limit it's allowed with PS2. If PS2 has alot more room for content as I'm seeing alot of people claiming, this obviously won't need to be done for a good while.

i dont even think the game has hit half of the PS2 HD capacity yet. Unless there is some sort of LIMIT to the space that its allowed to use on it, they have plenty plenty plenty of room on it, i seriously think it hasnt reached 20 gigs, and its capacity is 40.

I mean at some point your all going to be crying that the XBOX 360 is limiting the game, this is why you dont bring MMO's to consoles really, a PC is forever expanding, unlimited growth, systems have breaking points. Why we have an MMO that is cross console to PC networking is beyond me. But crap happens, oh well.

XBox 360 is the only console atm that doesn't have a real memory limit. Microsoft can just keep making newer, bigger hard drives. If PS2 harddrives weren't so out of date, Sony would really be able to do that too.

Edit: Alot of players of PS2 version are starting to play their PS2 versions on PS3, so I think SE should simply make a PS3 version. The reality is this: alot of players either hate XBox360 or can't afford a computer. But with a PS3 version, they could play a much larger content base, better graphics, and don't hafta resort to 360 for these things.