Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[Byrth]

The new upgrade items drop from quite literally all new content. Wait a week and see what the supply is like after people spam the AF fights a little. I bet we see our first 119s this weekend.

[Kaeviathan]

Maybe so, but I just don't want to invest more gil on it. I just want it to magically become level 119, free of cost. Like if it were to have a life-time warranty for free repair & maintenance once it reaches level 99. What would happen if level increases to 139, do we need to go through with this process again? If that is the case, then R/M/E are just a luxury with a very expensive maintenance.

[Byrth]

Maybe so, but I just don't want to invest more gil on it. I just want it to magically become level 119, free of cost. Like if it were to have a life-time warranty for free repair & maintenance once it reaches level 99. What would happen if level increases to 139, do we need to go through with this process again? If that is the case, then R/M/E are just a luxury with a very expensive maintenance.

Yeah, this is very obviously the system they are setting up. Sell your Alexandrite and do not make a mythic I'd you dislike it.

[Drakox]

Massive cancellation is the only thing they will understand

[Mefuki]

Massive cancellations for what? I usually agree with complains about SE but I really think they did a good fairly good job with this update. I'm confused. What exactly did we want?:

Well, we certainly were upset that RMEs were being left in the dust, being outclassed by gear that we have no "connection" with and by gear that is easily obtained (Oat) so I hear. So, SE said, "OK, it was a mistake to do that. We'll give you the option of upgrading RME." Good, problem solved. At this point we've figured out that the only way people are going to make new RME is if they're some of the strongest weapons in the game so we expected the update to be potent.

Free, automatic upgrades for life? So, we wanted to log in and be given the most powerful weapons in the game? And what then? AFK in Adoulin? Believe me, I know that it's a lot of work to get these. I spent literally months farming gil everyday to get the HMP and Riftcinders I got. Isn't that why we were upset in the first place? That all our work was being invalidated? Wanting free, automatic upgrades doesn't make much sense, does it? Wouldn't that be like SE releasing new content and then giving us the gear to be gained from that content when we log in? It doesn't make sense to me.

The issue I had initially with this part of the update was that the drops came from Delve because I don't like delve or most alliance content for that matter. So, when people were saying, "Delve drops? I don't want to do Delve." I said, "Yeah, that's really lame." but then I found out, as Byrth said, they drop from other things AND they're sellable. So, now they're pretty much like HMP and Riftcinders, which I'd remind you we complained about too (I did too) until people started completing the trials.
*Sidenote: It's also I huge economy boost to make these sellable which is another issue people where having.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not an SE apologist. I still think Stymie is silly and, frankly, the whole iLvl thing was/is a mistake (lateral, "sidegrade" gear would be better, if for no other reason for power creep's sake). I just think might be a little off base in what we wanted/expected. Because it seems like what we wanted was the best weapons without bothering to play the game.

[Kaeviathan]

here is my situation, I got my relic level 95 like a couple of days before the whole ilevel stuff. got it to level 99 like 2 or 3 months later. So practically, i haven't been able to use it and it sucks that I still am not able to use it any time soon. The result got me frustrated and i began venting that energy on the forum.

Also, I gave up on mythic and blew my gil on affordable weapons and spent nearly 45,000,000 on Verdigris Stone +2 to try and obtain Critical hit +2 for my Iuitl Armor set. Sadly, I only was able to obtain Critical hit +1 on just 2 pieces.

[Minikom]

after read the post about the 300 items and and Devs asnwer... have they chacked how much ppl asking for those items, 1m each, you need 300, just do math and that is 300m, adding those items to old cotent should be make ppl to do that content, for example, let them drop on salvage, dynamis and VWs too, you can add them to legion or even drop off arch bosss on limbus, just do supply easy, more and more ppl get REM 99 nowdays, we dont want a gruop of ppl to monopolize the items and teh price just because the content where they drop can be too hard

[FaeQueenCory]

after read the post about the 300 items and and Devs asnwer... have they chacked how much ppl asking for those items, 1m each, you need 300, just do math and that is 300m, adding those items to old cotent should be make ppl to do that content, for example, let them drop on salvage, dynamis and VWs too, you can add them to legion or even drop off arch bosss on limbus, just do supply easy, more and more ppl get REM 99 nowdays, we dont want a gruop of ppl to monopolize the items and teh price just because the content where they drop can be too hard

But.... if they add it to old content..... How will they force people to go do Delve more?

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The only way to make them so common that they aren't 1M a pop....
Would be to make them rain from the sky like bayld does...
Easiest way?
Make them the new -ites.
Have them drop off of every adoulin mob by a small %.
Then the most you'll see is 50k.... I think that was the highest I've ever seen a geode in recent times.
But chances are.... They'll be cheaper if they make them super common.
HMP are still 100k per pop.... Because there's only one way to get them really...
And these are basically HMP and Riftcinders' evil devil baby.

Either flooding the game with them.
Or severely lower the number needed.
These are the way to "fix" this.

(I think lowering it 50 would be best... since you aren't guaranteed which of the three you're gonna get... and that puts it on the same level of getting 55 geodes and 15 -ites from the old trials.
It's still only feasible to farm them from Delve.
But the demand to do Delve is down to the level that it takes to get a 119 from a MegaBoss... maybe even a bit less. But considering the work to get it to 99.... I think letting this 119ification be easy is ok.)

EDIT: Especially Mythics.
3k Alexandrite.
Up front.
Plus a whole expansion and a few other stuff... NMs... random items from random places...
The 75-99 is about as demanding as a Relic or Empy trial... depending on the weapon...
But Mythics demand SO friggen much to just START.

[Okipuit]

Greetings, everyone.

Below is a follow-up comment from Producer Akihiko Matsui in regards to relic, mythic, and empyrean weapon upgrades.

Matsui here.

Thank you for all the feedback regarding relic, mythic, and empyrean weapon upgrades.
I’d like to respond about two aspects of feedback we have been receiving.

• Number of required items for upgrades
  There have been comments that 300 items is too much. Instead of reducing the number of items that are needed, we would like to make various content where you can gradually collect these, and increase the number of ways you can obtain them.
  
  
• Empyrean weapons
  There has been feedback mentioning that compared to relic and mythics, empyreans are weak, but by receiving the boons of the aftermath with even 100 TP you can gain stats that are by no means inferior to relic and mythic weapons.
  
  Of course we understand that there are sensitive aspects to this topic, but as the version update as only just been implemented we would like to keep very careful tabs on the situation.

[detlef]

Feel free to add them to colonization and lair reives, I won't complain.