PS2 limitation new Zone solution.

[Randwolf]

i don't know why everyone cares about the PS2. Those of us that play on console's are not saying end the PC version. The PC players have a huge advantage to the game with their third party programs & windower. Now you may think that you are better players cause of it but if you consider cheating making you better then everyone, good for you.

Just face the fact that PS2 started the game & will always be there. i wish they would truly make FF online that was console only. End the cheating & arguing & let PC players play something alone....

No one is saying to end the PC version. What people are saying is that S/E is limited by PS2's limitations. Thus, making the game appear even more outdated. I was honestly against phasing out PS2 support. But with a precedent set by a competing company, my view is changing.

I'll also add that the PS2 limits the very basics in the game which, has become a major headache. So, instead of the new zone idea, they might as well go with the complete phasing out of PS2 support.

[NightDagger]

No one is saying to end the PC version. What people are saying is that S/E is limited by PS2's limitations. Thus, making the game appear even more outdated. I was honestly against phasing out PS2 support. But with a precedent set by a competing company, my view is changing.

I'll also add that the PS2 limits the very basics in the game which, has become a major headache. So, instead of the new zone idea, they might as well go with the complete phasing out of PS2 support.

Understand all that. Al I am saying is they have FFXIV with no PS2 limitations. You are playing a PS2 game on your PC & you expect them to end the PS2 support or exclude the PS2 players from getting new expansions while the rest of us get new areas to play in. It has good intentions but we all know that when we get a new area that is where 95% of the players hang out. So the PS2 players would only be able to play with each other then.

I hope when FFXIV is finished that they stick to their initial plans and make the PC players on their own server & console players (PS3 & 360) on a server together. That way in 15 years we do not have to listen to how the 360 is limiting the game blah blah blah.

On another note though, when FFXIV is completed & up to PS3 & 360 quality, I bet FFXI will take a huge hit on players. That could possibly be the start of the end of the game ^^

[Nephilipitou]

i don't know why everyone cares about the PS2. Those of us that play on console's are not saying end the PC version. The PC players have a huge advantage to the game with their third party programs & windower. Now you may think that you are better players cause of it but if you consider cheating making you better then everyone, good for you.

Just face the fact that PS2 started the game & will always be there. i wish they would truly make FF online that was console only. End the cheating & arguing & let PC players play something alone....

Bug off dude. Just playing on PC isn't making someone a cheater. I use PS2 controls with no 3rd party applications. PS2 players aren't calling for the end of PC players because they have no argument to stand on. Zero nada. Zilch. PC players hope that PS2 will be dropped because too often players ask for something, and Square Enix says "PS2 limitations" Why don't we have more auto-translate so we can communicate with players of other languages? "PS2 limitations" so they're deleting words to fix that. Why don't we get some better graphics? PS2 limitations. Why is Play Online so clunky? PS2 limitations. Why is the PC client not optimized for the PC? PS2 limitations that would cause conflicts.

That's probably the reason as well as to why we haven't gotten any new places to go since Vunkerl and Grauberg were added with WotG. A lot of people want to go to the Mithra Homelands of the Far East and find out more about their culture directly and see the story over there. We're not sure if we ever will, and a likely culprit is PS2 limitations. I've been trying to get more people to join FFXI that I know, but the graphics and system turn them off a bit to it. They would be more likely too if the game wasn't so dated looking, and once again that's PS2 limitations.

I don't know what Windower and the other thingies do specifically, but if they dropped support for PS2, then they could add features that some of those third party apps do. I've seen videos of people having their cool downs all on screen in a corner. I don't know how they do it, but ya know what? That'd be a great thing for the game to have built in. What's holding us back from that? PS2 STANDARD DEFINITION COMPATIBILITY LIMITATIONS!

Like I said I play the game on PC with a PS2 controller and a keyboard. Why do you want the game held back by the PS2? Why don't you want the game to be more liberated to expand, become enhanced graphically, and maybe even get new players in on it? What are you going to do when your PS2 INEVITABLY FAILS! Buy a new one and keep going? Get a laptop and play it that way? Upgrade your PC? Just play it on PC?

You wouldn't be posting on this forum if you didn't have a PC, and if the PC isn't 8 years old it can probably play FFXI and if PS2 support was dropped and they made the game more PC optimized the compatibility would increase substantially.

So tell me again what the argument is for keeping the PS2 compatibility around except for that almost 1/5 of the population plays on PS2 (a large segment of it is from Japan)

I thought about buying a PS2 copy and playing it using my PS3, however, finding a copy isn't that easy. I would like them to just drop PS2 support though and go about trying to rebuild the userbase by making the game look more on par with other MMOs or at least make the game run smoother on older equipment.

So it's less that PC players are cheating in many respects, and more that PS2 players are just limiting themselves and those who don't want to use 3rd party apps.

[rog]

Why don't we get some better graphics? PS2 limitations. Why is Play Online so clunky? PS2 limitations. Why is the PC client not optimized for the PC? PS2 limitations that would cause conflicts.

None of these have to do with the ps2. Not sure why i need to keep repeating this. The pc version already uses different code than the ps2, with better quality graphics, etc.

[Ilax]

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8% hmm.. how many user again are we, let say we are 200,000 * 92% = 184,000 player not on PS2 and 16,000 still on PS2, well 16,000 * 300$ = 4.8million to buy these ppl a new computer, 4.8million/ 200,000 player = 24$ each to upgrade them, 2$ fee /month for 1 yr for everyone to fix this issue..

300$ * 8% = 24$

Is everyone ready to pay 2$/month for a year, so we can get the game to move on? Seriously there no reason to keep PS2 support...

[Nephilipitou]

None of these have to do with the ps2. Not sure why i need to keep repeating this. The pc version already uses different code than the ps2, with better quality graphics, etc.

Yes they do. The texturing on the PC versions is just higher resolution and better anti-aliasing. There's a limit to how much the PS2 can handle. When I have pop in ingame, when I have people popping in when I'm in Jueno, it's not an issue with my PC. My PC isn't too slow, it's because the PS2 only has so much memory so it can't store 300 people and have them all running around simultaneously. It has a limited amount of depth that it can see into the horizon.

In WoW I had hundreds upon hundreds of people running around the Major cities and there wasn't much if any detriment to the frame rate. In FFXI I have to type commands to target people because they haven't popped in. That's not an issue with ANYTHING but the PS2 version. I guarantee it.

You are lying to yourself and others if you perpetuate that the PS2 has no impact on the PC version and It'd take me WAY too long to explain to you why, because if you were able to understand, you'd know already.

The code may be different on the PC, but it's not optimized for the PC. There are lots of problems with the code that are artifacts of the PS2 compatibility.

FFIV beta ran great on this computer. FFXI doesn't run as well as WoW or as well as one should expect.

[rog]

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8% hmm.. how many user again are we, let say we are 200,000 * 92% = 184,000 player not on PS2 and 16,000 still on PS2, well 16,000 * 300$ = 4.8million to buy these ppl a new computer, 4.8million/ 200,000 player = 24$ each to upgrade them, 2$ fee /month for 1 yr for everyone to fix this issue..

300$ * 8% = 24$

Anyone ready to pay 2$/month for a year, so we can get the game to move on? Seriously there no reason to keep PS2 support...

Alternatively we could buy new video cards for them, which would cost an extra $1 for 1 month. Maybe factor in people who don't have a computer at all, and it'd be something like 2-3 total per person.

[rog]

Yes they do. The texturing on the PC versions is just higher resolution and better anti-aliasing. There's a limit to how much the PS2 can handle. When I have pop in ingame, when I have people popping in when I'm in Jueno, it's not an issue with my PC. My PC isn't too slow, it's because the PS2 only has so much memory so it can't store 300 people and have them all running around simultaneously. It has a limited amount of depth that it can see into the horizon.

In WoW I had hundreds upon hundreds of people running around the Major cities and there wasn't much if any detriment to the frame rate. In FFXI I have to type commands to target people because they haven't popped in. That's not an issue with ANYTHING but the PS2 version. I guarantee it.

You are lying to yourself and others if you perpetuate that the PS2 has no impact on the PC version and It'd take me WAY too long to explain to you why, because if you were able to understand, you'd know already.

The code may be different on the PC, but it's not optimized for the PC. There are lots of problems with the code that are artifacts of the PS2 compatibility.

There is nothing stopped them from allowing the pc version from drawing more characters/further distances/etc without touching the ps2 version.

No, it's not optimized for pc, but only because SE is too lazy to do that, not because they need to keep the code the same as the ps2's (lul, it's already fairly different).

[NightDagger]

Nephilipitou,

Thanks for that little burp. I can not play on a PC as I own a Mac. i play on a 360, would play on PS3 if I could. I do still own a PS2 & also use that if a friend comes over & wants to play. The fact that you are unable to accept the fact that PS2 only limits the game in a manner you see fit is irrelevant.

The graphics are 10x better on the 360 then PS2, so how is PS2 limiting that? I am sure they could add new area's & will do so without telling us the PS2 is limiting them from that as well. There are really very little the PS2 is limiting & i do not know how you can have an argument with someone about a game that is 9 years old & expect it to look like a game that is 1 years old. Cause I own a 2001 jeep should I expect dodge to upgrade me cause I am unable to do the things a 2010 jeep can? If you are that unhappy with how a game looks & plays then go play something more recent. Heck I still play FFVII on my PS3 but am not complaining that the graphics suck & they should upgrade these for me.

[Ilax]

Alternatively we could buy new video cards for them, which would cost an extra $1 for 1 month. Maybe factor in people who don't have a computer at all, and it'd be something like 2-3 total per person.

Even if they would charge me 5$ per month for a year to fix this issue, i would not mind. I mean i am poor as .... and i still would be ready to pay because to me is worth the money to see new graphic/zone/performance in FFXI.