So is selling FC spots illegal?

[Anjou]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pol...ews22167.shtml

Please be aware that advertising in such a manner in itself can be disrupting to other players and we may take action against players who continuously advertise for the above kind of parties.

You mean to tell me that an FC shout is more disrupting than the typical pissfights, the typical "Plasm Farm (Can I have it?)" also the typical "(Wildskeeper's Reives) (You can have this.)"? I'm sorry but I have to severely doubt that, because I find all of the /yells to be generally annoying and distracting, being forced to flip through the logs to find text of ls friends and party members. I highly doubt that anyone would find it disrupting, and boo to SE for posting that and making people feel like they can't do something that is legal for non-RMT.

[Daemon]

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: As long as you're not one of the RMT-kind, or supporting their businesseses, you should be fine. Can't really put it better than Okipuit did some time back, as seen below.

How long ago was that response given? We know from previous history that Devs, community reps who say one thing can subject to change. Especially seeing how many things were spoken of about new updates, avatars, spells etc that have never seen the light of day.

New 2 Hour Abilities
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...425#post345425

Red Mage Haste 2
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Spells/page22

[Daemon]

You mean to tell me that an FC shout is more disrupting than the typical pissfights, the typical "Plasm Farm (Can I have it?)" also the typical "(Wildskeeper's Reives) (You can have this.)"? I'm sorry but I have to severely doubt that, because I find all of the /yells to be generally annoying and distracting, being forced to flip through the logs to find text of ls friends and party members. I highly doubt that anyone would find it disrupting, and boo to SE for posting that and making people feel like they can't do something that is legal for non-RMT.

Yeah but FC is promoting a service for gil while at the same time can hurt people who are trying to play in areas where the FC happens.

So many times I tried to hunt NMs in Abby only to have a hard time because the trigger item was not up in anyone's bazaar and the FCer was hogging all of the mobs.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/31...il-services/4/
http://www.ffxivpro.com/forum/topic/...-banned-maybe/

And I found that the reps response was last year April 2012
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...g-cleave/page2

The link I gave you was reposted on the ffxi main website April 2013.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pol...ews22167.shtml

We are currently investigating players who advertise power leveling services via Shout/Yell, collect gil from the participants, and then use that gil to engage in RMT-related activity. Our investigations thus far have revealed that these players regularly advertise in the Jeuno area and we have responded by terminating the FINAL FANTASY XI service accounts of those found guilty of this behavior.

Please be aware that advertising in such a manner in itself can be disrupting to other players and we may take action against players who continuously advertise for the above kind of parties. This also includes behavior that helps facilitate such activity. Please take caution in not supporting RMT-related activity.

In addition, if you witness other players engaging in this behavior, please report the details to the Special Task Force via the Square Enix Support Center.

[Demon6324236]

You mean to tell me that an FC shout is more disrupting than the typical pissfights, the typical "Plasm Farm (Can I have it?)" also the typical "(Wildskeeper's Reives) (You can have this.)"? I'm sorry but I have to severely doubt that, because I find all of the /yells to be generally annoying and distracting, being forced to flip through the logs to find text of ls friends and party members. I highly doubt that anyone would find it disrupting, and boo to SE for posting that and making people feel like they can't do something that is legal for non-RMT.

I myself asked this very same question a while back, when their latest post popped up on this issue. I asked for clarification, but none was ever given. I myself will stay away from all FCs not done in small, discrete, groups, if its just me and a couple of friends that's one thing, but I am not willing to risk my account over a party for some gil, even if I am more broke now than ever before. The fact they make such posts without real details and are unwilling, or unable, to answer basic questions about what falls within the bounds of right and wrong truly disturbs me. Its kinda like what George Carlin said in his early work about 'Curse words', you don't know what they are until you say them. In this case, we don't know exactly what the boundaries are for getting banned till we cross that line, only problem here, our punishment is a bit more extreme than a smack on the head or slap on the wrist.

[Daemon]

On my server, someone was promoting FC party, accepted the gil first then logged off. Several people in town were spam shouting and warning others to becareful.

Those joining an FC party made by an RMT that had no idea the person FCing was RMT can be considered as participating in RMT activity.

The person FCing buys gil online and those who joined that party who had no idea that the FCer buys gil online could be considered RMT activity.

Morale of the stories?

There is more bad than good coming from FCing for gil.
In my opinion it's not worth the risk.

[Kristal]

On my server, someone was promoting FC party, accepted the gil first then logged off. Several people in town were spam shouting and warning others to becareful.

Those joining an FC party made by an RMT that had no idea the person FCing was RMT can be considered as participating in RMT activity.

The person FCing buys gil online and those who joined that party who had no idea that the FCer buys gil online could be considered RMT activity.

Morale of the stories?

There is more bad than good coming from FCing for gil.
In my opinion it's not worth the risk.

Being affiliated with RMT doesn't mean it's ever having been in a party with a gil seller or buyer. It's not a viral status.
If you FC to earn gil to buy stuff from peoples bazaars/AH, then the logs will show as such. So as long as you buy for reasonable prices, you are not in any trouble. (Buying a stack of little worms for 1M each from a bazaar or AH is not reasonable...)

[Daemon]

Being affiliated with RMT doesn't mean it's ever having been in a party with a gil seller or buyer. It's not a viral status.
If you FC to earn gil to buy stuff from peoples bazaars/AH, then the logs will show as such. So as long as you buy for reasonable prices, you are not in any trouble. (Buying a stack of little worms for 1M each from a bazaar or AH is not reasonable...)

True being in the same party with an RMT is one thing. Exchanging gil with an RMT for an FC is another in my opinion.

That exchange can also be seen in log by the developers.

[Rustic]

Yeah. Basically, direct transactions with RMT in any form is a Bad Idea, if you can at all avoid them.

Finding out you had RMT paying YOU to PL them could be unhealthy for one's own account.

[Dragoy]

How long ago was that response given?

I know you found it already, but I'll still point out that there is a link directly to the post in the quote (the icon).

It's also on the first page for people like me, who have 40 posts per page. ^^


But yeah, obviously one must take care not to get involved with the RMTing kind, but I don't think it should be too difficult. I could almost bet on them referring to really obnoxious type of advertising when they speak of “disrupting to other players”, and by that I mean repeating the advertisement between short intervals, and doing it for extended periods of time. Also known as spamming.

As far as I know, to this day, they have not stated that selling services like fell cleaving is forbidden, so I would not be too worried about it unless I were one of the you know what kind.

That is, of course, just my opinion and view on the matter.

[Daemon]

I know you found it already, but I'll still point out that there is a link directly to the post in the quote (the icon).

It's also on the first page for people like me, who have 40 posts per page. ^^


But yeah, obviously one must take care not to get involved with the RMTing kind, but I don't think it should be too difficult. I could almost bet on them referring to really obnoxious type of advertising when they speak of “disrupting to other players”, and by that I mean repeating the advertisement between short intervals, and doing it for extended periods of time. Also known as spamming.

As far as I know, to this day, they have not stated that selling services like fell cleaving is forbidden, so I would not be too worried about it unless I were one of the you know what kind.

That is, of course, just my opinion and view on the matter.

Yeah but again that response was made December 11th 2012. The link I posted was April 2013. At any rate would be nice if a Dev or community rep could give us a new response.

You ever have that itch on your back that you can't reach? Yet if only someone was around you could ask them to scratch it for you? That's how I see this situation.