New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Demon6324236]

The way I see it in regards to this thread is you can "let go" one of two ways. Either you can accept the changes to the game, roll with it, and learn to enjoy it, OR you could just go do something else, and commit to that instead.

The way I see it in regards to this game is you can "let go" one of two ways. Either you can accept the player base here does not want these kind of changes to the game, roll with it, and learn to enjoy it how it was before, OR you could just go play one of the hundred MMOs this is starting to become like, and commit to that instead.

[Peepiopi]

Either you can accept the player base here does not want these kind of changes to the game...

Maybe some players don't like things to change, but I'm not one of them. It's hardly accurate to make a general statement like "the player base here does not want..." because you don't speak for everyone. I'm having fun with the game, I'm enjoying the new expansion, and I don't mind the changes. Haven't met a single person in-game that has any complaints either So speak for yourself.

By the way, you missed my point. I'm not the one trying to cope with the changes, but it seems like you are. How's life in the pit?

[Demon6324236]

By the way, you missed my point.

You missed mine as well it would seem.

If you want the kind of game this is becoming why the hell are you playing this? Its 11 years old, its specifically not like the MMOs coming out now days, and now they are taking that away, changing it in a massive way that you seem not to mind. If you don't mind it, cool, please, go play 1 of the other games just like that which come out every year. I play this because its not every other MMO, its different.

This is the only game I have actually found which I enjoyed playing for more than a couple of weeks or a couple of months besides Phantasy Star Universe, which is now gone, and PSO2 has not been released in NA yet. So guess what that means for me, if this game changes, adapts things like all of those other MMOs, I am left without a MMO, I not only lose the game I know and love, but I have no new home to go to. So please, tell me, why exactly should I simply sit back and accept this? Why should I allow others to reshape the game I know and love when the part being changes is the exact reason I have been enjoying this game so long? I fail to understand why I should do this, why people would want this game to change in the way it is and why if people want a game like this is becoming they have not just moved to another game which is already like this game is turning out to be. The only change this game has ever needed is SE listening to players more on some specific issues while making certain things more fair, fun, and balanced, such as NMs which have to be stun locked or tediously drawn out things, impossible drop rates like VW, and so on. If these things were fixed the game would be perfect for many people, but that is part of the problem, they don't, and now they are changing the game in such a radical way I really am finding myself hoping this game dies now. At least if it dies soon, I will have memories intact of how it once was, if it takes to long to die and they do not revert it, my memories of this game will forever be tainted with how this game has fallen from what it once was, a unique game I enjoyed.

To me, there is nothing I need to accept, accepting a problem does not make it any less of a problem in some cases, this is one of those. This is not a good change, it needs to be reversed, and if you like how its becoming, there is a ton of games around with this ideal and design which they are trying to implement, while the one they are moving away from is not common, and needs to be kept so the game is unique!

[Peepiopi]

You missed mine as well it would seem.

(edit)tl;dr: boo hoo, bunch of whining... change is bad.

No I got your point. You didn't really have one except to try to think of some [not so]witty way to say I'm the weird one for not complaining like you are, and that I should be just as pouty as you about game changes, or I should just go away. The difference between you and me is that if I'm not having fun playing a game any more, then I'll just stop playing it and do something else. You on the other hand seem to just... complain.. Then you seek validation by trying join like-minded people in a little vocal majority so you can all just... complain to each other together.

If you have any experience with other MMOs, then you'll realize that whining on the forums rarely get anywhere. If you really don't like the direction the game is going, then vote with your pocketbook, then move on! I promise you that there are other things to do than waste time with a game that you can only complain about.

On the other hand, maybe you just enjoy complaining, and ignoring reason. In which case, be my guest Complain until you can't do it any more, or find something better to do. Your behavior is typical.

[Demon6324236]

My behavior is typical of people who complain about change, yes, but as I said, I have played other MMOs, I like none of them, I play this one because I like how it was, I would gladly quit this game today except I have friends here I rather not leave and besides that, I have no other MMO to go to because none are like this that I have ever seen or played. I can not play PSU, I can not play PSO2, I can not play FFXIV, that eliminates my choices of games I like quite a bit. There are a hundred games out there with the same kind of things they are trying to implement now, why are you not playing them instead of this one, why must this one become like one of the games I hate? Your failing to explain why this game should become like every other MMO when its going to lose the exact reason its unique in the process and end up becoming nothing more than another generic game. I have nothing against change, I have something against what kind of change we are seeing. If they made changes I did not already know I do not like, that would be one thing, but they are not making those kind of changes, I know I don't like these, because these changes are the same exact reason I hate every other MMO!

[Peepiopi]

My behavior is typical of people who complain about change, yes, but as I said, I have played other MMOs, I like none of them, I play this one because I like how it was, I would gladly quit this game today except I have friends here I rather not leave and besides that, I have no other MMO to go to because none are like this that I have ever seen or played. I can not play PSU, I can not play PSO2, I can not play FFXIV, that eliminates my choices of games I like quite a bit. There are a hundred games out there with the same kind of things they are trying to implement now, why are you not playing them instead of this one, why must this one become like one of the games I hate? Your failing to explain why this game should become like every other MMO when its going to lose the exact reason its unique in the process and end up becoming nothing more than another generic game. I have nothing against change, I have something against what kind of change we are seeing. If they made changes I did not already know I do not like, that would be one thing, but they are not making those kind of changes, I know I don't like these, because these changes are the same exact reason I hate every other MMO!

Do you know why other MMOs have certain similar elements? Money. It is a business after all. There are some game elements that are popular among gamers; and developers want to integrate those, because they attract subscribers. More subscribers means more development, and better maintenance. For example, whether you like (or even played) the game or not, WoW is the most successful MMO in history because Brack recognized that, and the today's version of WOW has improved drastically from it's debut in 2004.

Very little has changed for FFXI, even though it's practically the same age as wow, and it fell way behind because it didn't change. It has an endearing environment and great story, but it's still pretty much a graphical mud with insane grinds. That isn't that popular any more in today's gaming community, hence why they're changing.

Unlike you, I would love to see FFXI stick around for many more years, but to do that, they need to find new subscribers. You will be hardpressed to convince a developer to keep the game the way you like it, if it meant losing potential funding and profit.

[Demon6324236]

Do you know why other MMOs have certain similar elements? Money. It is a business after all. There are some game elements that are popular among gamers; and developers want to integrate those, because they attract subscribers. More subscribers means more development, and better maintenance. For example, whether you like (or even played) the game or not, WoW is the most successful MMO in history because Brack recognized that, and the today's version of WOW has improved drastically from it's debut in 2004.

I know they copy WoW, but would you care to tell me, just how many of those games flop? Last I knew, almost all of the MMOs that come out today do poorly, why? Because most people see they are nothing but WoW clones, if you like WoW and its kind of content chances are you will play WoW, the reason why is because its the original, and it does it damn well, so why would you go play a game which only attempts to copy it? As you said, in your second paragraph, this game came out in the same period of time as WoW did, and while it does not have the same level of income or player amount, it has a different style of play than most, which allows it to keep its own player base who enjoy the kind of entertainment it provides, while most other games including WoW fail to provide just that.

Unlike you, I would love to see FFXI stick around for many more years

Make no mistake, I have no wish to see FFXI get shutdown, but I also have no wish to see it continue to go bad as it is now. If they changed the game to how it was, long term goals, feeling like my work is worth it, having fun with a ton of friends, low-man content I can do with a couple friends, as well as some of their old promises and some more flexibility and listening to players a bit more, I would love this game again. For now, I just do not care about it anymore, and its death at this point would seem a blessing because then its at least done, over, and out of its misery, rather than them trying to reform it into something its not, and was never meant to be.

to do that, they need to find new subscribers.

This game is eleven years old, the graphics look like a PS2 game, because it is a PS2 game. They refuse to drop support to the console which leaves many features in ruin because its impossible to upgrade it without screwing over PS2 users by not giving them the same benefits while at the same time, as well as removing the ability to play on PS2 once activating these features on your account with a Xbox 360 or PC. They also have shown no attempt at advertising this game at all in years, anywhere I have ever looked, the closest was a single add I saw for Adoulin, 1 time, ever. Tell me, how are they going to find new subscribers when they do nothing to get this game really out there for people to play while its age, graphics, and trial make the game look horrible beyond compare?

You will be hardpressed to convince a developer to keep the game the way you like it, if it meant losing potential funding and profit.

They are already making FFXIV, which sounds as though it follows much the design concept of more modern MMOs while adding its own flavor to it. In which case, I would think they are losing potential profit by killing off a more unique MMO that people might play at the same time as FFXIV, or might play instead of FFXIV because FFXIV is not their style of game. If FFXIV is like how FFXI is turning out to be I may very well not like it or play it, but I would play FFXI if it were how it used to be, in which case, profit. If I like FFXIV though, why would I play FFXI? Its eleven years older, its dev team is miniscule by compare I am sure, it has many problems, and more, so if the concept for how the game works is roughly the same, why play FFXI at all? Everyone would simply upgrade to FFXIV, and this game would die. If it didn't die, they are simply creating one game, and changing another, so that they both line up in a similar format, thus giving us two games with similar designs made by the same company more than a decade apart. To me, that sounds stupid, correct me if I am wrong.

You made me think of something though in that line of thinking. The only way I could see this idea from SE being at all a good idea marketing wise is if they honestly thought by changing FFXI's style to match more with how they want FFXIV to be that it would let FFXI players ease into that so when FFXIV comes around, they want to play that too. Like I said though, they would basically be killing off one game for the success of another, when you could keep both around and unique from one another, catering to two types of players at the same time, making more money, and having happier customers.

[Duelle]

I know they copy WoW, but would you care to tell me, just how many of those games flop? Last I knew, almost all of the MMOs that come out today do poorly, why? Because most people see they are nothing but WoW clones, if you like WoW and its kind of content chances are you will play WoW, the reason why is because its the original, and it does it damn well, so why would you go play a game which only attempts to copy it? As you said, in your second paragraph, this game came out in the same period of time as WoW did, and while it does not have the same level of income or player amount, it has a different style of play than most, which allows it to keep its own player base who enjoy the kind of entertainment it provides, while most other games including WoW fail to provide just that.

Erm...no. The reason the other modern MMOs failed was more due to them releasing subpar or incomplete games with broken/unbalanced/poorly-designed systems under the impression we're still in 1997 where players will stick to the game despite its flaws until the kinks are worked out (a design model that doesn't work anymore with so many MMORPGs out there on the market).

I'll spare you the litany of modern MMORPGs from the last 5 years that flopped for stupid reasons that could have been avoided if the developers had not subscribed to the above-mentioned model.

This game is eleven years old, the graphics look like a PS2 game, because it is a PS2 game. They refuse to drop support to the console which leaves many features in ruin because its impossible to upgrade it without screwing over PS2 users by not giving them the same benefits while at the same time, as well as removing the ability to play on PS2 once activating these features on your account with a Xbox 360 or PC.

Even if they entirely dropped the PS2, fixing the core engine of the game would be a colossal task in itself. That's not mentioning the ton of crap that also needs to be fixed in this game.

[Demon6324236]

Erm...no. The reason the other modern MMOs failed was more due to them releasing subpar or incomplete games with broken/unbalanced/poorly-designed systems under the impression we're still in 1997 where players will stick to the game despite its flaws until the kinks are worked out (a design model that doesn't work anymore with so many MMORPGs out there on the market).

I'll spare you the litany of modern MMORPGs from the last 5 years that flopped for stupid reasons that could have been avoided if the developers had not subscribed to the above-mentioned model.

More contributing factors, yes, but if a game copies off other games without bringing nothing new to the table either, it will get no where, many games seem to do just that, copy other games gameplay while messing some things up, failing to make any unique qualities which would make it different, and leave it boring.

Even if they entirely dropped the PS2, fixing the core engine of the game would be a colossal task in itself. That's not mentioning the ton of crap that also needs to be fixed in this game.

Yes, but certain things are specifically limited by PS2 I would think, such as the inventory only being able to go to 80. It would take work to work around if they removed PS2, but it would be doable, instead we seem to be stuck with getting more side-inventories with 80 space rather than our real inventory going up to 100, 150, 200, and so on.

[Zumi]

The difference between WoW and FFXI is that they change WoW a lot. The game systems change a lot in between expansions. Each expansion is pretty much a sequel to the game. They adapt a lot of things put in a lot of new features the game has evolved greatly since it was first released. They adopt features that are seen in other games to improve their own game. They have over 8m subs still, thus have the money. But its on PC so it can take advantage of what newer hardware can do.

FFXI being a PS2 game, the PC version is trying to emulate the PS2 game there can not be too much advancement with the game. They will always be limited on what they can do with FFXI because at its heart it is a PS2 game and it has to work within those restraints.

I don't think there is anything wrong with FFXI in the way the item system works. My only beef with the game is the dwindling player base and the difficulty of finding people to do stuff with. This problem was solved since almost every modern MMO has adopted a dungeon/raid finder system. This was first invited by Blizzard but later copied in many games because people want to get in be able to find players easy and play the game. FFXIV has a duty finder matchmaking system where you can queue up and do whatever dungeon or raid you want. Something like that in FFXI would require such an overhaul that SE probably won't bother with it. More likely they would want you to move to FFXIV.

I know stuff like adding a dungeon finder in FFXI is pretty far off the realm of possibility due to the amount of programming it would take. However even some recruitment forums would help with find people. You can /yell for a linkshell, but then you most likely get harassed by people for spamming the /yell channel. Latly I seen people having dumb arguments and fights in /yell. Trying to find a linkshell in public game chat channels will most likly end in getting told how fail or bad at the game you are, or to shut or something similar.