New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Peepiopi]

It's not a problem for you, don't make a generalization and assume everyone thinks the same. I don't mind that REMs are replaceable, I just don't like the fact that something you worked so hard for is now destroyed by weapons so easy to get that it doesn't even take a day to make them.
How would you feel if you spent months to obtain one of the best possible weapon for your job and 2 weeks later, it's replaced by something better that you could get in a 30mins fight? Feel free to make a REM and you'll understand.

It's my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt. And I have farmed ridiculous gear before in other games only for them to be obsolete with the next expansion. So I fully understand your sentiments, but it doesn't diminish the the accomplishment at all. They're still cool items and YOU put in the effort into earning that cool gear. Good job! But the game is moving on with better gear and newer content. It means is there is better gear out there that you can get, but not devote the huge time sink into getting. Instead of complaining about it, you could be getting that better gear, and just keep your Relic for personal pride. You can get over it, or you can quit.

I'm not going to put the time into getting RMEs because I don't need to as you never HAD to farm it in the first place. As a player coming back to the game after a long hiatus, the Adoulin gear is far more appealing. If that bothers you, then so be it.

[Almantia]

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/37...me-weapons-yet

That is all.

[Daemon]

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/37...me-weapons-yet

That is all.

One of my biggest arguments in several threads was that I tried to tell people that REM is not worthless and that upgrades were spoken of. So many people in town telling others not to even bother with them.

I too saw this post. And tried to encourage people to do it. Only reason is that if SE implements new upgrades and the basic requirement is to already have existing ones at 99 first. How sad it will be when players who thought or believed others telling them not to do it find out they cannot participate in the new upgrade when the day arrives.

Even though it may not look like it will surpass the super delve items that are crafted. The trade off is all about the Weaponskills. People also think SE won't go through with it based on previous announcements made and have yet to see the day of light.

In my opinion, the situation is not the same. You didn't have almost the entire community disappointed over anything as high as this. Some rage quitting, threatening to quit, huge out pour not just from NA stand point but also Japanese players expressing concern. But the again we will just have to wait and see.

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[svengalis]

I got the Delve gear in a week. What should I do for the next 3 months, now that SE had outdated RMEs? AFK in Western Adoulin?

You are telling me you have all the Delve gear + boss weapons and it's all leveled to 15... I find that hard to believe. I guess you also missed the update Tuesday where they added new wildskeeper.

[svengalis]

You just don't get it. The problem with REMs is the time it takes to make them. We spent months and used millions to make them just to realize that they became useless in 1 single update. If they want to make replacements to REMs then they should have made the requirements as hard as the REMs trials.
Do you think it's normal to be able to get a way better weapon in 45mins than one that cost 200-400M to make? And i'm not even talking about the time it takes.

Also I love the famous "elitists" argument, just because we made more efforts in our jobs than you did doesn't make us elitist.

REM's aren't useless, they just are not designed for aldoulin content. You guys asked for harder content then SE gave us aldoulin. A new expansion with new gear. Who would have thunk it SE designed a expansion around the new gear upgrades. There was only so far they could go with harder content with REM's.

[Byrth]

I have the KIs and something like 700k Plasm after buying all that I care to buy. I'm obviously capable of clearing the hardest current content and SE's new "outdate everything before the body gets cold" strategy leaves me unexcited about min/maxing jobs that I don't use, so I'd say I'm done.

[Tamoa]

If they made Delve weapons to be as good as R/M/E you would be crying you took a long time having 17 suckers to farm for you and that took all your skills to accomplish for people to have the same stuff you got. Just quit the game if you can't live without useless sidegrades.

Why are you talking like you know me? Because you don't - and let me set this straight; I never had any problems with SE releasing easy-to-obtain weapons that are comparable to R/E/Ms. But in case you missed it, that's NOT what happened here. SE released extremely easy-to-obtain weapons that totally crush R/E/Ms and made them worthless. Big difference.

No. Relics should not be the best items in the game. The best items should 100% be from the Adoulin content. At least that's my opinion.

The devs have said that they are going for two forms of progression: lateral, and vertical. Basically, they are letting people who are still fixated on their R/M/E weapons to still be able to use them, but they are also providing more effective gear that is obtainable through their new expansion content that doesn't require the completion of older content and doesn't require the same time sink.

This is what everyone wants! It caters to both crowds. So I don't know anyone can really be upset about this. But there are people who will be... as always.

So if you're really quitting over these changes, then so long. A few less elitists to deal with in the game.

Every R/E/M owner is still able to use their weapons. SE didn't make them disappear, I can still equip my 99 Masamune or my 99 Ragnarok. But for what though? Delve? They're pretty gimp in there, damage wise. And they're not good enough for Delve bosses. Of course I could use my R/E/Ms for older content that nobody does anymore because it's no longer relevant. Yeaok.

Yes, they've said they'll let us upgrade our R/E/Ms - but they don't seem to know how they'll go about implementing that, much less when. The fact that they didn't realize the kind of s**tstorm the introduction of Delve weapons would create, is nothing short of mindboggling to me. It would have been an entirely different story if they'd already had the plans drawn up as to how and when we'd be able to upgrade those R/E/Ms. But they didn't - instead they said "here, have these new weapons that make all your previous efforts be for nothing" and when they realized the amount of very angry customers they suddenly had on their hands, they're all "um.. ok, we'll fix your R/E/Ms but we don't really know how and much less when that'll happen." And that's just not good enough for me.

And if this is what everybody wants, why have so many quit already? Why are there one thread after another on so many forums, where people are expressing their deep dissatisfaction about the direction the game's going? You're delusional if you think this won't make a huge dent in the FFXI population, even moreso after FFXIV is released. I personally know several people who're only playing FFXI these days to pass the time till FFXIV comes out. And while that might not affect SE, it will certainly affect the remaining FFXI players.

Oh and for the record, I have quit. You two go ahead and enjoy the dwindling player population and doing Delve, Delve, Delve and even more Delve. And then some more Delve after that. I'm sure that'll keep you playing for years to come, just like old content kept me playing for 7+ years.

[Peepiopi]

Every R/E/M owner is still able to use their weapons. SE didn't make them disappear, I can still equip my 99 Masamune or my 99 Ragnarok. But for what though? Delve? They're pretty gimp in there, damage wise. And they're not good enough for Delve bosses. Of course I could use my R/E/Ms for older content that nobody does anymore because it's no longer relevant. Yeaok.

That's the idea. Delve weapons are supposed to be the focus. New game content is supposed to be incentivised. That's what makes successful MMOs. Why don't you understand this?

Yes, they've said they'll let us upgrade our R/E/Ms - but they don't seem to know how they'll go about implementing that, much less when. The fact that they didn't realize the kind of s**tstorm the introduction of Delve weapons would create, is nothing short of mindboggling to me. It would have been an entirely different story if they'd already had the plans drawn up as to how and when we'd be able to upgrade those R/E/Ms. But they didn't - instead they said "here, have these new weapons that make all your previous efforts be for nothing" and when they realized the amount of very angry customers they suddenly had on their hands, they're all "um.. ok, we'll fix your R/E/Ms but we don't really know how and much less when that'll happen." And that's just not good enough for me.

The "S**tstorm" is all in your head, and in the heads of a very small vocal crowd here. Most of the players I've encountered in the game are still having fun, and don't care about RMEs being a little weaker than Delve weapons.

And if this is what everybody wants, why have so many quit already? Why are there one thread after another on so many forums, where people are expressing their deep dissatisfaction about the direction the game's going? You're delusional if you think this won't make a huge dent in the FFXI population, even moreso after FFXIV is released. I personally know several people who're only playing FFXI these days to pass the time till FFXIV comes out. And while that might not affect SE, it will certainly affect the remaining FFXI players.

You're overestimating the number of people who you think that would quit the game over something like this, and you're underestimating the profit value of making end game and story content more accessible to a greater number of people. I'd venture to say that any one who quits over something as silly as this will easily be replaced, even if it's an older game. Believe it or not, there are still plenty of people just starting the game. My LS has a recruited a bunch of them.

Oh and for the record, I have quit. You two go ahead and enjoy the dwindling player population and doing Delve, Delve, Delve and even more Delve.

So long!

[nyheen]

fun fact.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/relic
Something that has survived the passage of time, especially an object or custom whose original culture has disappeared.
an artifact surviving from the past.
something kept as a remembrance or treasured for its past associations; keepsake.
old items from another time.

no comment...

[Tamoa]

That's the idea. Delve weapons are supposed to be the focus. New game content is supposed to be incentivised. That's what makes successful MMOs. Why don't you understand this?

Where's the incentive when gear's going to be replaced every few months? That's not how this game has been working for eleven years, why fix something that's not broken? There are no long term goals anymore, the majority of older events are now pointless to do - so you do Delve to get Delve gear and weapons, to do what? More Delve? Or just stand around looking pretty until the next update hits and you need to go through all that again?

The "S**tstorm" is all in your head, and in the heads of a very small vocal crowd here. Most of the players I've encountered in the game are still having fun, and don't care about RMEs being a little weaker than Delve weapons.

I take it you don't really frequent any other FFXI forums then. And I'm willing to bet the majority of those that don't care about R/M/Es being outclassed, never owned one in the first place (talking 99 versions here). Some R/M/E owners still play, yes - while waiting for SE to fix their weapons. Some have fun too (for now). Some don't care. But the majority do care.

You're overestimating the number of people who you think that would quit the game over something like this, and you're underestimating the profit value of making end game and story content more accessible to a greater number of people. I'd venture to say that any one who quits over something as silly as this will easily be replaced, even if it's an older game. Believe it or not, there are still plenty of people just starting the game. My LS has a recruited a bunch of them.

Actually no, I'm not overestimating anything. And those "plenty of people" you're talking about that just started the game will be outnumbered by the amount of people that have quit or will quit within the very near future. Not only that, but I'm willing to bet most of these newcomers will have quit themselves within less than a year. As for end game content accessible to a greater number of people, I'm all for that and always have been. But right now, Delve is the ONLY damn end game content worth doing.

What's pretty clear to me is that you never had the same kind of dedication to this game as I, and many with me, had. And you're not even willing to TRY looking at it from a different point of view, it's all "it doesn't affect me personally therefore noone else have the right to be upset about it either".

Let me ask you something: Wouldn't it have benefitted the game if SE already had clear plans outlined on how to upgrade R/E/Ms when they introduced Delve weapons? Then they would have made everybody happy by keeping R/E/Ms relevant while ALSO adding easy and good options for those that have no wish to make a R/E/M. How could it have possibly hurt the game if they'd done this instead of what they actually did do?