Adoulin: Scrolls of Instant Protect

[Demon6324236]

but don't be telling me I'm "Bad" because it goes against the conventional thinking.

Its not that what you are thinking is unconventional, its that what you are thinking is, well, stupid. Holding back damage so a subpar job can tank, intentionally gimping damage with /WHM in any party which already has a WHM instead of letting the WHM do its job, using terrible food instead of proper food even when proper food is cheaper, and failing to acknowledge the power of proper swaps and putting them to use correctly. These are the reasons, your method of thinking matters not one bit to me, or anyone else here I'm sure, but the fact you do all of these things which make no sense to any high end player, and then attempting to say why its fine, or labeling it under 'play style' is nothing more than meaninglessly annoying to me. I dealt with my GF throwing up the same arguments as you are when I fought with her about gear swaps & macros for a long time, and since that's the case, I am going to guess your as stubborn and set in your ways thinking your right. If that's how you are, so be it, continue to do whatever you want and be worse off for it, but do not mistake the real reason people say your bad, I at least, do no say your bad because of your way of thinking, but the things you say & do are completely foolish for any player to do, and to just close your eyes and pretend your right about things is doing nothing but harm to your abilities in game.

[Hawklaser]

First on the issue of the Instant Protect Scrolls. Normal duration Protect 3 items, that do not have multiple charges or stack, is a bit absurd. For a couple of reasons, cost effectiveness compared to Field Manual buffs, and even paying others to cast them on you, and that is not even mentioning the passing good samaritan mages that will toss out some buffs when passing by in the field, the other big reason is inventory space it just is not worth taking up an inventory slot for a 1 shot short duration buff outside of very specific situations. Now I can see a few uses for the instant scrolls, but those are rather limited and involve needing to sub something without access to the spells, such as NM camping, BCNM style fights that wipe buffs, and limit fights like Maat.

On to the tangential DRG stuff now.

DRG/mage has its uses in groups, and that is usually in low man situations like duoing or trioing, or events like Nyzul Isle where group has to be fairly split up and the self sufficiency would make things easier. However, in most full group or alliance events, should be using /war or /sam, along with a few other situational ones like /thf, and that is because they perform much better at DRG's primary role of being a low enmity DD, least that is the role I have always seen DRG fitting in as. DRG just also has the option of becoming a low maintenance/light support healing DD as well when needed based on its subjob. Key thing is knowing when and why to use specific subjobs with DRG.

For gear swaps, I don't agree with the mentality of having to swap all but ones weapon for every ability and weapon skill, and that is because of the built in limitations of the games native macros. Though I do use gear swaps where it makes sense and doesn't overly cram my inventory. Some examples, swapping int/mnd rings for spell casting, Drg AF boots for old jumps, Elemental belts/gorgets for weaponskills. Another thing I like to do is have alternates for some pieces of equipment based off of my food choices and subjob, which at 75cap on DRG was Sole Sushi and Carbonara. I would start in +Acc gear and no food for the mobs would be fighting to find out which food I would get more benefit out of with available buffs applied. If I had to use Sushi, I would swap as much of my acc gear as I could to attack related gear, and then adjust in additional Acc if needed. Now as a DRG, if you are fighting something that needs both Acc food and gear to reach a reasonable hit rate, every DD is going to be having problems hitting or there is something wrong going on. If I had some of the best attack gear available I would work in the other direction, but still adjusting towards one point, frequently landing consistently high damage, which is what all DD's should strive towards along with not getting killed while doing said damage.

[Daemon]

Its not that what you are thinking is unconventional, its that what you are thinking is, well, stupid. Holding back damage so a subpar job can tank, intentionally gimping damage with /WHM in any party which already has a WHM instead of letting the WHM do its job, using terrible food instead of proper food even when proper food is cheaper, and failing to acknowledge the power of proper swaps and putting them to use correctly. These are the reasons, your method of thinking matters not one bit to me, or anyone else here I'm sure, but the fact you do all of these things which make no sense to any high end player, and then attempting to say why its fine, or labeling it under 'play style' is nothing more than meaninglessly annoying to me. I dealt with my GF throwing up the same arguments as you are when I fought with her about gear swaps & macros for a long time, and since that's the case, I am going to guess your as stubborn and set in your ways thinking your right. If that's how you are, so be it, continue to do whatever you want and be worse off for it, but do not mistake the real reason people say your bad, I at least, do no say your bad because of your way of thinking, but the things you say & do are completely foolish for any player to do, and to just close your eyes and pretend your right about things is doing nothing but harm to your abilities in game.

What I don't understand is, why does it matter so much to the point that others have to criticize? I mean don't get me wrong I understand your point. If it was T5 bosses where having Max skill STILL doesn't suffice and require you to have other people to help you not miss I can understand.

Regardless of who deals damage as a DD, only 1 person is going to out damage everyone.

The other day I joined a Tax'et party. At 1 moment I ran out of MP spending so much time curing WHM (and yes 50% cure potency) who stood too close range with no -PDT and took AOE damage. The Dragoon in my party used pet to cure and it did make a difference.

Not a godly difference but enough to appreciate.

But look at the situation. This is only 1 person...

Now think about how it would be if 18 people chipped in and helped each other with massive team work? But how can they when hybrid aren't welcome and everyone is strict to playing certain roll in party?

Yet I don't see this often because the way NA parties favor only the best and leave out several unique jobs that could change the way the party plays.

4 random parties I've join are so fixed on having 3 bards and 2 corsair... Really? It's so messy that the bards use soul voice and a couple minutes later pop NM. So unorganized. Then song wears off... No one even puts songs back up... Really??

So at end game Im failing to understand why parties are created this way.
All for the purpose of having 6 songs up? How many stat buffs does Fenrir give as 1 job vs 3 bards?

Unless...

This is the result of never partying with different jobs because people base judgement on numbers and what they think is the best. Instead of trying other things.

Or... They just don't know the potential of every job and only stick with what they know or think works from watching others make their party setups.

I've seen JP parties do so many unique setups and realize. There more than 1 way to kill a boss. Regardless of the jobs you have it can still be done.

Now think back when we all started the game. We didn't know statistics, mechanics, numbers. We just leveled up, teamed up , went for it and if we died, we tried to figure out other ways to fight until we won. Not even caring about stats.

But because you all know gear, stats, numbers, statistics, parsing, gear set listing online, only the best and nothing less.. Your way of thinking has been altered. I would have thought at 99 people would have many different strategies like you see several jobs post different testimonies of different jobs and setup explaining that its possible to do it different ways..

One thing I love about my JP LS family. They don't care what job or sub you play. Or if we even lose. As long as we have fun. That's all that matters. Why? It's a video game.

[Kraggy]

and failing to acknowledge the power of proper swaps and putting them to use correctly.

That 'correctly' of course implicitly infers you have to use a TOS-breaking third-party app, as I expect 99% of the min/maxers in this thread do, because most of the swapping stuff I read about, players claiming to have a full gear set for nearly every WS they can use, clearly aren't using the game's 'limited by design' macro system to do it.

[Daemon]

That 'correctly' of course implicitly infers you have to use a TOS-breaking third-party app, as I expect 99% of the min/maxers in this thread do, because most of the swapping stuff I read about, players claiming to have a full gear set for nearly every WS they can use, clearly aren't using the game's 'limited by design' macro system to do it.

Sad to say I fall into the 1% of the 99% then. I never use 3rd party software for anything. And yes macro suxs. I need to use 3 slots in order to macro a full entire set. And when you are switching at a moment with only a few seconds like casting a Tier 4 Blackmage spell and then switch over to MAB set during cast, sometimes not all pieces will change. New elemental update is going to make Spellcasting faster so this is going to be another issue. Nuking without even seeing the graphics of the spell because it went off too fast before your sprite reloads.

Horrible in my opinion and yet it would be tempting to use a 3rd party software to fix this obstacle, Im just one of those who believe in playing the way the game was designed regardless.

[Demon6324236]

That 'correctly' of course implicitly infers you have to use a TOS-breaking third-party app, as I expect 99% of the min/maxers in this thread do, because most of the swapping stuff I read about, players claiming to have a full gear set for nearly every WS they can use, clearly aren't using the game's 'limited by design' macro system to do it.

Nope, correctly meaning at least swapping 5 pieces with a macro and then 5 back, he said he swaps a belt, that's not really swapping anything. Besides that, do you know how easily you can make a set of macros for full scale swaps without windower? Simple. You make 5 lines be gear swaps for the first 2 macros you make every line a piece of gear except the last one, which changes your page to the next page, then on the 3rd, you put the WS right before the page swap, then you put 3 more macros which put you in TP gear again. Yes, it takes 6 pages, and is less effective, if you play with a keyboard, you can literally do this all in a matter of 2 seconds by holding down CTRL & hitting the number for the WS 6 times, you have to have a little delay in the middle, but its possible to do. Does it take Windower? No, is it more annoying? Yes, but is it possible? Also, yes, so to say it takes a 3PP to do, no, that's wrong, it doesn't, I have met a few people who do full swaps without the use of windower. If you want to that that 1 step further, you can use multiple books for a job, and cut it down to 5 macros instead of 6, for each swap. Then you can have half of a book with enough macros for 40 actions in total, and then a macro at the end of your page, on 0, which takes you to your 'home page' which is a book or page that displays all possible books or pages for that job, then use macros there to send you to the right page. This idea comes from a friend who does use Windower, but he uses this for his SCH, so he has 1 page with all of his different types of macros on it, which send him wherever in his book he needs to go for the situation. Its very effective, and I assume a player without Windower can do the same to simulate better swaps & such as though Windower were involved, without actually breaking the TOS.

[Umichi]

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First on the issue of the Instant Protect Scrolls. Normal duration Protect 3 items, that do not have multiple charges or stack, is a bit absurd. For a couple of reasons, cost effectiveness compared to Field Manual buffs, and even paying others to cast them on you, and that is not even mentioning the passing good samaritan mages that will toss out some buffs when passing by in the field, the other big reason is inventory space it just is not worth taking up an inventory slot for a 1 shot short duration buff outside of very specific situations. Now I can see a few uses for the instant scrolls, but those are rather limited and involve needing to sub something without access to the spells, such as NM camping, BCNM style fights that wipe buffs, and limit fights like Maat.

you can't compare cost effectiveness to field manuals as they are not readily available all around the gaming world.. but if you wanna compare grabbing your first tabs for a protect when your just starting out takes just about as long as running to the nearest biouvac and back again for the points for a protect scroll, and tabs later on take mayhap a bit longer longer as you have to find mobs that rank EP (or is it DC?) and that requires even more traveling ^^

I don't think these scrolls were intended for your everyday use albiet they can be if a person puts the time in to invest in a bayld stock

[Hawklaser]

[QUOTE=Umichi;452726]

you can't compare cost effectiveness to field manuals as they are not readily available all around the gaming world.. but if you wanna compare grabbing your first tabs for a protect when your just starting out takes just about as long as running to the nearest biouvac and back again for the points for a protect scroll, and tabs later on take mayhap a bit longer longer as you have to find mobs that rank EP (or is it DC?) and that requires even more traveling ^^

I don't think these scrolls were intended for your everyday use albiet they can be if a person puts the time in to invest in a bayld stock

You can compare them, main differences between them is portability, travel time, effect, and resource cost. If you do any XPing outside of Abyssea prior to 99 tabs are really easy to accumulate. The instant scrolls are not readily available for obtainment either, difference here is can delay activation of them until in the area you need them for. It only takes EPs to count for pages, and there are numerous pages that involve EPs at 99, there are even a few with ones using T mobs, and those pages grant an average of around 150 tabs for the first completion. Really though, most people are not going to go out of their way to obtain GoV buffs or instant scrolls for protect/shell unless they are doing very specific events solo, and at those times I think they are going to opt for the stronger version the Books grant instead of a scroll unless the event wipes buffs on entry.

[Godofgods]

There is a reason that warp/RR scroll were lowered in price drasticly before ppl really started useing them...

[Babekeke]

you can't compare cost effectiveness to field manuals as they are not readily available all around the gaming world.. but if you wanna compare grabbing your first tabs for a protect when your just starting out takes just about as long as running to the nearest biouvac and back again for the points for a protect scroll, and tabs later on take mayhap a bit longer longer as you have to find mobs that rank EP (or is it DC?) and that requires even more traveling ^^

I don't think these scrolls were intended for your everyday use albiet they can be if a person puts the time in to invest in a bayld stock

Due to the fact that you can get a warp directly from the same book that you're buying your protect buff from, you can be just about anywhere in Vana'Diel within 5 mins of obtaining protect buff from GoV. Personally If I need protect for a solo event, I'll either grab a scroll of instant warp from NPC in Jeuno then head out to use FoV, or I'll OP warp to Qufim, zone into delkfutts and get it there, then use book warp back to adoulin. From adoulin you cna either warp to most areas in Adoulin, or back to Jeuno, or if it's really obscure, to a waypoint throughout the older areas.
If you warped to Jeuno, you can then run out to Rolanberry fields and VW warp to wherever you wanted to be, though if doing this, you should have got book protect before using VW warp anyway.

Pre-VW, it took a while to get to a lot of places. Now, it doesn't. Book pro/shell are your friends. Scrolls are only useful if your event will last longer than 30 mins and there's not another book where you're going.

However, scrolls are still way over-priced.