Fairness (Warning: rant ahead)

[Anjou]

"(Oh wait I'm just going to XIV^.^)"

Then why do you care, sounds like bad player.

Here is why I care: before I went to South Carolina for vacation, I had the misfortune to watch my best friend get picked apart because he was trying to tell his 'leader' that the lower tier members were needing some help bad. Every night it was soa soa soa and then dyna dyna dyna (here's the thing: the LS I'm in wont let you lot stuff for a whole month due to a probationary period) tell me is that fair? You bust your ass just like everyone else in that linkshell, you're new but you've learned the ropes rather fast. But then when your relic armor shows up the leader goes "Uh don't lot on that, this such and such needs it and you're not allowed to lot" Why the F**K would ANYONE put up with that? That's not fair to people who hit the ground running yet they don't get anything for their time.

If you want to call me a bad player, why not look at yourself because I'm pretty sure I remember you when I started on Leviathan as Dolphis.

[Mostfowl]

(here's the thing: the LS I'm in wont let you lot stuff for a whole month due to a probationary period) tell me is that fair? You bust your ass just like everyone else in that linkshell, you're new but you've learned the ropes rather fast. But then when your relic armor shows up the leader goes "Uh don't lot on that, this such and such needs it and you're not allowed to lot" Why the F**K would ANYONE put up with that? That's not fair to people who hit the ground running yet they don't get anything for their time.

If you want to call me a bad player, why not look at yourself because I'm pretty sure I remember you when I started on Leviathan as Dolphis.

Well tbh if a standing member of a ls who has been working with that group has a piece of gear fall which they need it is perfectly fair for a ls lead to say no you cannot have it. If you do let new members take gear they need before a long time member that...

A: really isn't fair to the person who has been busting their butt on multiple runs and other events for that ls which does not induce loyalty to that ls and
B: new members come and go frequently and most ls are not gear dropping factories for ppl who may drop your pearl a day or two later or only help the ls when its convenient for themselves only.

As a leader of an old dyna ls I can tell you, you need to gear your long time ppl first because most new comers to the group do not stay long if their needs are not immediately tended to which is not fair to long term members who have been helping the ls as a whole for a long time and not just one or a handful of events. It's only a select few who understand that ppl cannot drop everything on a dime to rush out to help them farm a key or a nm and its only the ppl who do understand that stay. Newbs to the group should be ok to lot something that will hit the ground otherwise but aside from that I see no problems with old members taking priority. Heck we used to farm dyna twice a week for months just to get ONE person a relic weapon! And no one complained. Talk about old school commitment.

Whats not FAIR as you put it, is ppl who join a ls, get their 2-3 pieces of gear in a couple runs then drop the pearl because they are done farming that particular event. The game is about cooperation but if you ever run your own ls you will understand why these rules exist because if you do not have them you will be walked all over by ppl you will never see again and that one great piece of gear you need will elude you forever because ppl will out lot you and run off with it. These rules are not an elitest or snob thing, its a practical thing.

You will find these rules in xiv as well so if you are not thrilled with them...well... good luck lol

[DarkStoneDragon]

My Girlfriend showed me this thread, and shes talking about making a LS to help people, new and older players will be welcomed, it is sad to see this kind of behavior by "Leaders" (leaders being used losely), this morning I saw a guy doing /yells for a Delv while I was in Jeuno, his yells were indicating his alliance was going from 17/18 down to 14/18, then one guy asked why it was fluctuating between 14/18 and 17/18, response "They didn't have the right type of gear/job" the guy wanted the names of people he kept booting then ended up saying "All those (Don't remember name) booted send me a /tell" about 2 1/2 - 3 hours later he said "were done with what we needed and your still looking?" I laughed.

[Powder]

In my opinion, networking is the key. Getting to know people during exp parties etc. asking friends if you can join their delve party works. On our server though I've joined a delve Linkshell and what we usually do is get LS friends invited first. After that left over room is for anyone, but most of the time one of the LS mates will suggest a friend. There's absolutely no reason you can't join a Ki party if you have REM.

Our LS Leaders are so nice, they even announce in party before we start and after the run that anyone wanting to join our LS is free to do so.

Really Ultimas? That is nice for you but for me all my friends have left me behind and not even bothered to ask me if I want to do Skirmish, farm plasm, or do delves so guess what? I haven't did any of that and as I watch who is doing all these things I am deleting them off my friend list. If that is friends I don't need any! Thank you. I am a loner and have struggled in this game to get where I am. I am disgusted how this expansion has brought out the shitty character of people. I come from a very different generation than 98% of people in this game. I have only found 4 people older than me. The more I read these forums and the more I see who is doing what in the game the less I play or even have the heart to log on. I am almost done with this game. I feel screwed myself I don't know what others feel but I don't see much laughter and fun anymore. Doing anything in the game is a pain. I for one don't care to jump in an alliance with 17 people I don't know and if I did and an ass said something to me rude I would chew them up and spit them out. This game has a way of exposing people's character and I see people throwing friends away for a damn game. /sigh

[Anjou]

Well tbh if a standing member of a ls who has been working with that group has a piece of gear fall which they need it is perfectly fair for a ls lead to say no you cannot have it. If you do let new members take gear they need before a long time member that...

A: really isn't fair to the person who has been busting their butt on multiple runs and other events for that ls which does not induce loyalty to that ls and
B: new members come and go frequently and most ls are not gear dropping factories for ppl who may drop your pearl a day or two later or only help the ls when its convenient for themselves only.

As a leader of an old dyna ls I can tell you, you need to gear your long time ppl first because most new comers to the group do not stay long if their needs are not immediately tended to which is not fair to long term members who have been helping the ls as a whole for a long time and not just one or a handful of events. It's only a select few who understand that ppl cannot drop everything on a dime to rush out to help them farm a key or a nm and its only the ppl who do understand that stay. Newbs to the group should be ok to lot something that will hit the ground otherwise but aside from that I see no problems with old members taking priority. Heck we used to farm dyna twice a week for months just to get ONE person a relic weapon! And no one complained. Talk about old school commitment.

Whats not FAIR as you put it, is ppl who join a ls, get their 2-3 pieces of gear in a couple runs then drop the pearl because they are done farming that particular event. The game is about cooperation but if you ever run your own ls you will understand why these rules exist because if you do not have them you will be walked all over by ppl you will never see again and that one great piece of gear you need will elude you forever because ppl will out lot you and run off with it. These rules are not an elitest or snob thing, its a practical thing.

You will find these rules in xiv as well so if you are not thrilled with them...well... good luck lol

The. Here let me also cite this:

My Blue Mage on Dolphis is lvl 99, I go into dyna beaucedine in that linkshell, we kill and kill, and the. A Mirage body drops. Now obviously I asked if I could lot on it, but due to that probation period a sack holder who 'needed' it stole it from me. I go Ito gusgen the next day, his blue mage is only lvl 15. So tell me Mist, is that fair?

[Vizzer]

The. Here let me also cite this:

My Blue Mage on Dolphis is lvl 99, I go into dyna beaucedine in that linkshell, we kill and kill, and the. A Mirage body drops. Now obviously I asked if I could lot on it, but due to that probation period a sack holder who 'needed' it stole it from me. I go Ito gusgen the next day, his blue mage is only lvl 15. So tell me Mist, is that fair?

Problems like this will work themselves out, you agreed to those rules when you joined the LS, but it was a prick move on behalf of the other guy, way to make new people feel welcome. As the numbers in this game continue to drop, there will be fewer shells, so they will think they can have rules like this because people have no other choice, but in the end, players like that will just drive others away. So the shell drives away people, like they have in the past, but now there isn't enough people to replace them.

[svengalis]

I honestly don't deal with people like that or play with them. If I know them I try to avoid them completely. I'm not going to be someone's (insert bad word here). Sometimes I will say something to them, (you just got to put some people in their place) other times I will let it go as to not cause drama.

[Doctrine]

Your name.. It seems familiar, I think I remember you from Quetzal's LS(Can't remember LS name)!

stars of destiny or something like that I think

[Aarahs]

The. Here let me also cite this:

My Blue Mage on Dolphis is lvl 99, I go into dyna beaucedine in that linkshell, we kill and kill, and the. A Mirage body drops. Now obviously I asked if I could lot on it, but due to that probation period a sack holder who 'needed' it stole it from me. I go Ito gusgen the next day, his blue mage is only lvl 15. So tell me Mist, is that fair?

You want to know what this says? It says that the sackholder was waiting for that body to drop before leveling blu. Probably because the intention was to lvl to 30, cleave leech to 75 or so and then join a merit party and level/skillup to Empyrean or straight 99. So yeah, that leader wasn't just being a jerk. I'm also curious what job Dolphis went into that run as.

[Demon6324236]

So we come down to the prime question: Would you rather be in a linkshell that does events time to time and has a friendly atmosphere but not as active as an event shell, OR join one that is more dedicated to events -but- you have to play a job you don't want to play, deal with someone talking down to you for not making it to an event based on real life commitments (I've ran into many people like this)

I like to believe I am one of the best RDMs around yet sit in a mostly social LS because I try to avoid the type of BS I get in more strict event shells, which is part of why I am left so behind on my goals. I don't regret my choice really, I joined a EGLS for about 2 months, going to everything on SCH and getting complained at for stupid things did not fit me to well.