Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

[Radd]

I cannot provide a solution, as they would not heed it anyway. Look at the forums, blaring with ideas, good ones, and they are never considered until years down the road. There's no point in trying to come up with a suggestion or a solution anymore, because someone out there actually likes the tediousness and painful game mechanics and would gladly take it and ask for more.

You can't even think of a logical one yourself, so what grounds do you have to even ask me that?

[Yinnyth]

I cannot provide a solution, as they would not heed it anyway. Look at the forums, blaring with ideas, good ones, and they are never considered until years down the road. There's no point in trying to come up with a suggestion or a solution anymore, because someone out there actually likes the tediousness and painful game mechanics and would gladly take it and ask for more.

You can't even think of a logical one yourself, so what grounds do you have to even ask me that?

Coming up with solutions to other people's problems is always difficult because even though you think you all have the same opinion of SoA and the direction FFXI is headed, it actually varies from person to person. I, for example, enjoy SoA and any of the changes I want would be abhorrent to you. The inverse is likely true as well.

I'm not really asking you to solve the complex problem of "how do you fix these problems while remaining in FFXI's budget and work load?" I'm asking you to consider what it would take for you to enjoy FFXI again. Go back to the days before SoA? Add AH gear that's just as good as delve gear, but it's crafted from cheaper materials like iron? In a perfect world, how does FFXI win you back and turn you into a raving fan of the game?

[Radd]

Coming up with solutions to other people's problems is always difficult because even though you think you all have the same opinion of SoA and the direction FFXI is headed, it actually varies from person to person. I, for example, enjoy SoA and any of the changes I want would be abhorrent to you. The inverse is likely true as well.

I'm not really asking you to solve the complex problem of "how do you fix these problems while remaining in FFXI's budget and work load?" I'm asking you to consider what it would take for you to enjoy FFXI again. Go back to the days before SoA? Add AH gear that's just as good as delve gear, but it's crafted from cheaper materials like iron? In a perfect world, how does FFXI win you back and turn you into a raving fan of the game?

I've already said. Stop making all the content focused around RMED being mandatory weapons. Why is this so hard to grasp? They should be unique tools and extra "punch" not required in all circumstances for every single thing.

[Yinnyth]

I've already said. Stop making all the content focused around RMED being mandatory weapons. Why is this so hard to grasp? They should be unique tools and extra "punch" not required in all circumstances for every single thing.

I think this might be the disconnect we're having with one another. I don't see RMED as mandatory for anything except delve megabosses. They're nice to have, certainly, but I'm not going to demand that people have delve weapons to join my dynamis LS. I'm not going to demand a person have relic weapons for Morta. I wouldn't even demand RMED for farming little stuff in the fracture. Am I the exception to the rule? Do most people make these absurd demands?

[Radd]

I think this might be the disconnect we're having with one another. I don't see RMED as mandatory for anything except delve megabosses. They're nice to have, certainly, but I'm not going to demand that people have delve weapons to join my dynamis LS. I'm not going to demand a person have relic weapons for Morta. I wouldn't even demand RMED for farming little stuff in the fracture. Am I the exception to the rule? Do most people make these absurd demands?

You must be an exception to the rule, as you would want "gimp" players in your events making them take longer. Have you ever seen any shouts lately? You don't see it as mandatory because you are doing mostly old content. The new content however... On the side, the guys who scummed out Delve boss wins before they patched it and made them on short timers won't give two shits about the players who haven't done it yet.

[Rekin]

You must be an exception to the rule, as you would want "gimp" players in your events making them take longer. Have you ever seen any shouts lately? You don't see it as mandatory because you are doing mostly old content. The new content however... On the side, the guys who scummed out Delve boss wins before they patched it and made them on short timers won't give two shits about the players who haven't done it yet.

My major beef with the game is that everything is such a chore that once you've jumped through the hoop you are loathe to do it again for others. This is the cause of why no one tries to make runs regularly to help newer players, that and with the flux of players unwilling to learn, etc. w/e excuse to undermine players with less time and devotion on their hands, and thus you have a large majority of players who are in limbo. Sure they could climb SE's gear ladder, but the satisfaction for getting gear that takes lots of time to obtain tend to demoralize those who aren't fervent about the game when its easily dismissed and ridiculed when trying to reach the next tier of content.

[Radd]

My major beef with the game is that everything is such a chore that once you've jumped through the hoop you are loathe to do it again for others. This is the cause of why no one tries to make runs regularly to help newer players, that and with the flux of players unwilling to learn, etc. w/e excuse to undermine players with less time and devotion on their hands, and thus you have a large majority of players who are in limbo. Sure they could climb SE's gear ladder, but the satisfaction for getting gear that takes lots of time to obtain tend to demoralize those who aren't fervent about the game when its easily dismissed and ridiculed when trying to reach the next tier of content.

Another point I forgot to get at. You nailed it. Thank you for this.

[Yinnyth]

My major beef with the game is that everything is such a chore that once you've jumped through the hoop you are loathe to do it again for others. This is the cause of why no one tries to make runs regularly to help newer players, that and with the flux of players unwilling to learn, etc. w/e excuse to undermine players with less time and devotion on their hands, and thus you have a large majority of players who are in limbo. Sure they could climb SE's gear ladder, but the satisfaction for getting gear that takes lots of time to obtain tend to demoralize those who aren't fervent about the game when its easily dismissed and ridiculed when trying to reach the next tier of content.

I'm curious... pretend for a second you're completely abyssea-level on your gear. Full AF3+2, no empy weapon, but some level 99 magian weapons at your disposal. Would you rather:

1. have a group of 17 people who already have full delve boss gear roflstomp everything in delve for you so you get full delve gear as well, but are incapable of providing any help at all until you attain said gear.

2. find a group of people in the same boat as you and work together to more slowly upgrade gear (first skirmish, then start some delve runs and NM kills with a few pickup members to fill the gaps).


If you prefer number 1, perhaps I should consider convincing my friends to go back and help other players once we finally start managing boss kills reliably.