Empyrean 90-95 trials

[Kincard]

This was probably said, but I will say it anyway. The reason why less people 99 an emp is becuase their is no great advantage to upgrading an emp to 99 for the emp WS. Meanwhile taking a relic 95 to 99 has a large advantage, and by that stage its about 60% addition to the base cost, as apposed to a emp where you have to spend nothing to get to 90 and everything to get a small damage boost.

So people complain about 99ing an Empyrean having a low cost-reward.

Now the same people that say the requirements should be lower because of the reward are complaining because they're making the 99 weapons better, and thus the investment more worthwhile. Am I seriously the only one who can spot this double-thinking?

[Karah]

So people complain about 99ing an Empyrean having a low cost-reward.

Now the same people that say the requirements should be lower because of the reward are complaining because they're making the 99 weapons better, and thus the investment more worthwhile. Am I seriously the only one who can spot this double-thinking?

The problem is, it (wasn't) cost-effective to bother 99ing, the difference in a 90 > 99 was -NOT- worth 200,000,000g (to most people)...((**though some people are willing to pay 200m for a 1% increase**))

Now... You change the rules of the game in the middle, and effectively change that previous sentence from -NOT- worth it to -MUST HAVE-... it's hard not to feel cheated.

[Afania]

It would be nice if they either lowered the required plates (since 1,500 was always a bit off, considering the trials went 50>50>75>1,500>60?!) or just make Heavy Metal Plates available from other events, similar to what they did with Alexandrites; or both...

There's no need, empy 99 is still cheaper than a Mythic, at one point of time dross empy was cheaper than 99 relic too(although hMP price went up recently). If you're going to complain about empy, why not complain about relic and mythic price too?

[Tarquine]

Honestly, why?

I personally don't think 1500 is way off, considering the history... HMP's are available from 7 different void watch NMs and HMP pouches are available from 3 different void watch NMs... so that's 10 different NMs you can farm for Heavy Metal Plates... why do you need them from other events...is beyond me... I can understand if they were only dropped from one or two different NMs, or even three... but 10 (ten)....???

Maybe I'm just out of touch.

You are out of touch. Since SoA the rates of VW have dramatically dropped off, and so to will the rates of plates coming in.

[Kincard]

The problem is, it (wasn't) cost-effective to bother 99ing, the difference in a 90 > 99 was -NOT- worth 200,000,000g (to most people)...((**though some people are willing to pay 200m for a 1% increase**))

Now... You change the rules of the game in the middle, and effectively change that previous sentence from -NOT- worth it to -MUST HAVE-... it's hard not to feel cheated.

Again, get a Delve weapon? I can understand this complaint if they just upgraded the 99 weapons with the intent of making them the best weapons in the game like before Adoulin, but they're doing it with the intent of trying to have the Delve weapons be competitive so it's not like you have to have a REM99 now.

[macross]

99 was well worth the cost for my ukon. It gained like 20 base dmg over a 90.
But yeah, just get a delve weapon before you complain about your 85 and 90s sigh. Heck I don't even use my ukon no more and I'm not complaining.

[Shirai]

I'm joining the "get a Delve weapon" crowd for those that aren't willing to 99 their stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for increasing the availability of HMPs and Riftdross and cinder.
But as it stands the trials themselves (1500+60) are adequate and quite well ballanced out compared to the other weapons.
Relics never got a reduction in needed currency, Mythics didn't for the amount of Alexandrites needed so Empyrians should not be an exception in that regard either.

[Vil]

I'm joining the "get a Delve weapon" crowd for those that aren't willing to 99 their stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for increasing the availability of HMPs and Riftdross and cinder.
But as it stands the trials themselves (1500+60) are adequate and quite well ballanced out compared to the other weapons.
Relics never got a reduction in needed currency, Mythics didn't for the amount of Alexandrites needed so Empyrians should not be an exception in that regard either.

Just wanted to clarify back in the ToAU days, the alexandrite count was lowered to 30k from 50k.

[Kincard]

Yeah, except at that point not a single person had a Mythic yet. They lowered the required Alexandrite one patch after Mythics were introduced, as opposed to Empyreans which have been out for, what, 3 years now? The only reason it was lowered was because SE had no idea what the hell they were doing and overestimated the amount of alexandrite that was flowing into the market. Or if you want to buy their version of why, that "they didn't want anyone to get one yet" (which is possibly the most transparent excuse I've ever seen for not knowing what you're doing- if they didn't want someone to get one they just wouldn't put it into the damn game).

A bunch of people have gotten 99 Empyreans, more than 99 Mythics even, even though Empyreans have been out like half the time Mythics have been. If they make 99 Empyreans worth getting people will start doing the event again to make money, just like how people farm Dynamis for gil.

[Metaking]

yes, they are making 99 emps worth getting if you aren't allowed to make a relic for your job, remember with delve weapons on the table adl will probably be killed by anyone with a group of 6-8 PW the same(need a twlight set tho) in vw you need procs so you need as many people as you can get to cover them all, but because most relics with emp weapon skill are superior to emps, you will be left with the few people that want a pimped blu dnc cor ummm cant really think of any other job for that list...

tho while on the subject of mythics i do believe they should get an alix cut everything else about making them is spot on tho, you have to prove you mastered an expansions content to get one, kill the kings of the monsters check, kill the lord of strife a few times and bath in his blood check, complete 50 heroic task check colect 30,000 rocks.. the alix wall which just se saying heh will show them poor mans relic muhhahahah kopo! just destroyed its tempo. And over to relics really atm there the closes to having it right, i mean like a month and a half of farming a week or 2 of trails and thx to delve weapons probably like 2-3 weeks of adls with a group focused on upgrading, and if you notice you don't havet to party up tell that very last step and knowing my luck some party of 6 going to somehow find a way to kill him like 4 or 5+ times in a night thx to alts instead of 1 or 2 times a night(wating on 1 hours to reset)