Follow-up: Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Walk of Echoes Weapons

[Riggs]

please can you consider the expense of upgrading a relic from level 95 to 99, 5 umbral marrows at 15 mil each may not have been to bad when it was the final upgrade of the best weapon but considering the ease of newer better weapons the expense of this upgrade is just not worth it.

[Arkista]

Dev Team I have a question about unlocking the Emp weapon skills most people are saying level 99 Emp or 99 WoE "Coin" weapons should be used to unlock but what about the ones who made more than one Emp and have the 85 Versions any way to make it so that the 85 version could unlock the weapon skill? I would not mind losing an 85 version forever just to unlock a weapon skill. A lot of people like myself don't have the time to play all day every day, maybe 8 years ago when I was still a kid but not these days.

[Vold]

I guess I see what you mean. I just hate the idea of such a huge performance gap on anything.

On a related note, I have all the currency to build a Mandau now, but I'm on the fence about doing it because I'm not sure if they will ever upgrade these weapons again. I may just bazaar it all and spend the gil on something else (not sure what to buy now that these weapons have an uncertain future). I really wanted a shiny gold knife or some spharai for my monk though.

/sigh

Well, I had just bought 5 marrows/60 mil to take my mandua to 99 just a week or two before SoA was released. I wanted to get it done before I got busy with new stuff. Let me tell you, I regret the decision. So I don't know, might want to take the gil instead if you can't live with a possible future trophy item.

I was pretty firm on my stance never to give in to that 99 ADL trial nonsense but I had taken 6 months off after a very large sum of gil was lost trying to HQ cursed hauberk -1s after my first three HQs that I nailed quickly my first couple of times out. I seriously blew like over 500k per synth, 25 million or so with NQ after NQ, break after insanely high break rate break. I was still ahead but damn that hurt my desire to play. Came back, got weak and looking for a reason to hang around, spent 60 million gil on Mandau 99. Not one of my proudest moments knowing what I know now. Maybe it wasn't wasted, maybe it was. But I do know you are best off sleeping on it for at least many many nights if you have any urge left for the gold.

It's quite the gamble. Also, anyone who ever finished a relic without buying currency or finished a mythic(in any way they could) to 99 does not deserve to be told their princess is in another castle, is all I'm saying. I'll live if I'm boned but it's just a damn crying shame to see certain people that really have given this game their all be so easily crapped on. They didn't even get the slightest of respect! (I mean damn it's like, you have afterglow 99 weap? Yeah I'm not impressed, sorry. You have a mythic? Oh shit!) So for SE it's like, here's uber new weapons practically free for all and here's stuff that can be sold if you don't want to do most of the work. Oh wait you no happy? Oh gosh we didn't have a clue about RME we new crew, here you have unlocked WS! Oh you no happy? Gosh we really don't know about RME, we'll upgrade their base damage for now but you should know they won't be #1 anymore ok ok ^.^

For reals? It's not the end of the universe or anything but damn dog, that's cold. At least the majority of players will be wielding decent weaponry for group stuff here on out, I guess?

[Ryolen]

I'm a bit confused guys. I'm pretty sure the ones that are gonna be equally matched with the REM weaps are the delve plasm ones not the delve boss ones. Getting to rank 15 is somewhat expensive, either through plasm or gil. I could've sworn I read somewhere though that they were increasing the rank to 20(+)..in which case would be very similar to obtaining a REM since it'll take several weeks and or months to obtain capped rank.

I see the delve boss weaps like I see the Legion/VW/Odin2 Lance, really awesome dropped weaps. Not the ones competing with REM though.

Your thoughts?

[Umichi]

depends on the rarity and how long until delve bosses are on farm status by major linkshells

[Asymptotic]

I'm a bit confused guys. I'm pretty sure the ones that are gonna be equally matched with the REM weaps are the delve plasm ones not the delve boss ones. Getting to rank 15 is somewhat expensive, either through plasm or gil. I could've sworn I read somewhere though that they were increasing the rank to 20(+)..in which case would be very similar to obtaining a REM since it'll take several weeks and or months to obtain capped rank.

I see the delve boss weaps like I see the Legion/VW/Odin2 Lance, really awesome dropped weaps. Not the ones competing with REM though.

Your thoughts?

All of the boss weapons are better than fully upgraded plasm weapons by 10% or more (sometimes a lot more)

[Ryolen]

Yea Asy I know this, but Im talking about further ranks added to the current plasm weapons, possibly increasing damage and or WS damage or something. At rank 15 the delve weapons are nice but wont beat out delve boss or the upgraded REM whenever that hits. The delve boss weapons cannot possibly be the REM equivalent because theyre just a random drop, not built.

Idk where I read it but I saw that they were making the plasm weapons rankable to 20 or maybe 25? idr now. The cost of rank points needed to cap it at that point would be very similar to upgrading a REM which is why it makes perfect sense.

Sorry for typos im at work on my cell XD

[Oakrest]

I updated my lengthy post here with: "... AH weapons are not a bad thing (a nice option for new players catching up with end content). They just should only ever be a close 2nd to R/M/E."

[Kombys]

REM and walk of echos Weapons all them are time and hard work but what about Glowing Weapons (Borealis, Murasamemaru, etc, etc) those weapons are a lot of time and money to get, if you do math you can see buying 5 pulse cell for any of those weapons will be > Walk of echos weapons, Glowing weapons have unique stats and hidden effects but even with all that, they will be useless if not already are useless, any plans on upgrading those weapons SE/DEV Team or just letting them die? if dont play onupgrade, whata bout let us slip them?

Honestly i'd like to see an upgrade on those weapons

[Kincard]

Bit too lazy to read through the whole thread so dunno if these have been mentioned:

1. Please make it so that either 85 or 90 Empyreans can unlock the weapon skill as the 99 Coins can- given how much easier WoE is now it's actually not too much of a stretch to compare it to finishing an 85 or 90 Empyrean.

2. I suppose you can make relic WSs unlockable too, but it's not like people will bother with any of them without AM- MAYBE Catastrophe in a pinch, heh.