Follow-up: Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Walk of Echoes Weapons

[Alerith]

By stating that there is a "+1" version of something means exactly that it is NOT finished, regardless of weather or not its holds any tangible value it is still not finished. Therefor it cannot be implied that it is.

So....a Bronze Sword +1 is finished product....but a normal Bronze Sword is not?

That is, in its entirety, incorrect.

[Kajikuro]

So....a Bronze Sword +1 is finished product....but a normal Bronze Sword is not?

That is, in its entirety, incorrect.

This really isnt complicated, if there are 10 trials and you do 9 you are not finished with the trials

If you need a metaphor here. Say there is a 4776 question quiz, however you figure out that you can finish the first 1776 questions and still pass. You may have completed the 1776 first questions and you may have pass the test, but you STILL HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE TEST.

If you are told to count to 10 and you count to 9 YOU DIDNT COUNT TO 10 SO YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED COUNTING TO 10 UNTILL YOU SAY 10

[Alerith]

This really isnt complicated, if there are 10 trials and you do 9 you are not finished with the trials

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere with you! A little glimmer of intelligence begins to shine forth. This is true. If you do 9/10 trials, you are not finished with the trials.

But that does not make the reward from trial 9 an incomplete reward.

If you need a metaphor here. Say there is a 4776 question quiz, however you figure out that you can finish the first 1776 questions and still pass. You may have completed the 1776 first questions and you may have pass the test, but you STILL HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE TEST.

Opinion. Having all 4776 answers bubbled in may constitute completion to you, but completing the test to me simply means answering what you choose to answer and handing it in.

By your definition, if a trial asked for 100 of an item, but you can finish it by turning in 50, is the trial not complete because you decided not to turn in those 50 items that weren't really required?

Also, let's look at something here:

com·plete
/kəmˈplēt/
Adjective
Having all the necessary or appropriate parts.

Verb
Finish making or doing.

When I finish trial 99, I have finished making a 99 weapon. It has all the necessary and appropriate parts. Therefore, a 99 weapon is a finished product as well. In fact, The level 75(Relic/Mythic) 85, 90 and 95 (RME) weapons are also finished products. They deal damage, they have stat boosts and they have the weaponskill specific to the weapon.

Now, I'm not saying 75-95 RME should get the stat boost. I agree that the weapon must be at least 99, only because no 75-95 weapon should be on par with any other 99 weapon. But the 99 without afterglow is a completed and finished weapon, the afterflow being merely a tac'd on bonus.

It's akin to buying a car. It's a finished product and performs its role just fine. If you choose to add turbochargers, paint jobs, spinning rims, a new suspension kit and fuzzy dice in the mirror, those are good upgrades, but does not detract from the fact that the stock vehicle is indeed finished.

[Kajikuro]

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere with you! A little glimmer of intelligence begins to shine forth. This is true. If you do 9/10 trials, you are not finished with the trials.

But that does not make the reward from trial 9 an incomplete reward.



Opinion. Having all 4776 answers bubbled in may constitute completion to you, but completing the test to me simply means answering what you choose to answer and handing it in.

By your definition, if a trial asked for 100 of an item, but you can finish it by turning in 50, is the trial not complete because you decided not to turn in those 50 items that weren't really required?

Also, let's look at something here:

com·plete
/kəmˈplēt/
Adjective
Having all the necessary or appropriate parts.

Verb
Finish making or doing.

When I finish trial 99, I have finished making a 99 weapon. It has all the necessary and appropriate parts. Therefore, a 99 weapon is a finished product as well. In fact, The level 75(Relic/Mythic) 85, 90 and 95 (RME) weapons are also finished products. They deal damage, they have stat boosts and they have the weaponskill specific to the weapon.

Now, I'm not saying 75-95 RME should get the stat boost. I agree that the weapon must be at least 99, only because no 75-95 weapon should be on par with any other 99 weapon. But the 99 without afterglow is a completed and finished weapon, the afterflow being merely a tac'd on bonus.

It's akin to buying a car. It's a finished product and performs its role just fine. If you choose to add turbochargers, paint jobs, spinning rims, a new suspension kit and fuzzy dice in the mirror, those are good upgrades, but does not detract from the fact that the stock vehicle is indeed finished.

By your definition and your car metaphor that feeds my original point, 85 weapons are completed, they perform all the functions of the "fully working car" but doesn't have the turbo charger so on and so forth, so by your very example and request 85 weapons should get the upgrade because "It's a finished product and performs its role just fine." DIRECT QUOTE

As far as your 99 weapon and your deserving of the increase while condemning everyone else who you say are also finished, go and ask a 99 afterglow person how Completely finished and deserving of the same they deserve.

You cant say 85 isnt finished without saying 99 isnt finished because as you say they are both finished products and perform the role just fine however if you say 99 is finished then by proxy 85 is also finished and equally deserving of a damage increase.

[Alerith]

By your definition and your car metaphor that feeds my original point, 85 weapons are completed, they perform all the functions of the "fully working car" but doesn't have the turbo charger so on and so forth, so by your very example and request 85 weapons should get the upgrade because "It's a finished product and performs its role just fine." DIRECT QUOTE

As far as your 99 weapon and your deserving of the increase while condemning everyone else who you say are also finished, go and ask a 99 afterglow person how Completely finished and deserving of the same they deserve.

You cant say 85 isnt finished without saying 99 isnt finished because as you say they are both finished products and perform the role just fine however if you say 99 is finished then by proxy 85 is also finished and equally deserving of a damage increase.

Your entire post if fallacious, as a 85-95 weapon is not a 99 weapon. An 85-95 RME should not be comparable to a normal 99 weapon at any point, regardless of its status as a complete weapon.

There is no level difference between a 99 and a 99 with afterglow, therefore it is acceptable for a 99 without afterglow to be comparable to a normal 99 weapon while it is unacceptable for an 85-95 weapon to be comparable to the same.

As far as your 99 weapon and your deserving of the increase while condemning everyone else who you say are also finished, go and ask a 99 afterglow person how Completely finished and deserving of the same they deserve.

Not once did I claim to have a 99 weapon, nor the right to have mine increased while condemning others. I have an 85 Almace and a 90 Ochain. I am speaking from the position of the man on the bottom rung, and I STILL believe that only 99 (without/without afterglow) is acceptable. I do not expect my 85 Almace to get a stat boost to make it superior in damage, because there already exist trials for that. The difference between the 99 and 99 with afterglow is non existent.

Also, I highly doubt that the majority of players with afterglow feel they are more entitled to the upgrade than any other non-afterglow 99 holder.