Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[RushLynx]

There is absolutely no reason why the RME weapons can't be upgraded to an equal or slightly stronger form than the delve weapons themselves via drops from delve thus facilitating the ability for RME owners to keep their weapons while helping out people who just want delve weapons...

No one is preventing RME owners from keeping their weapons. Even if they were nerfed to 1 dmg, still, no one is forcing anyone to toss their weapons. As it stands, though, the only people with access to the new weapons are those with the old weapons, at multiple angles of approach. Judging by people's track record with pretty much anything difficult in this game, I don't see very many people turning around after getting through the new content and saying "Hey guys, let me spend some time to help you through it too." No, they're going to immediately go to the next stuff and proceed with acting like douche-bags. 'Well, I could help you out now, but that sounds like a lot of work... and I need all this stuff for myself...'

There are a lot of people in here who seem appalled by the notion that people simply take and swindle their way to the top in this game. I've played this game for 10 years, and it's pretty much always been that way when it comes to end-game content. What magical land do you people live in, where selfishness and greed aren't predominant traits of humanity?

[RushLynx]

Oh wait you probably didn't even play back then.

I'm really tired of this fallacy wherein we attempt to discredit people by suggesting that they "didn't play back then..." So here, have a screen shot:



There, now where's your proof of superiority? Go on, let's compare dick sizes while we're at it.

[Alerith]

No one is preventing RME owners from keeping their weapons. Even if they were nerfed to 1 dmg, still, no one is forcing anyone to toss their weapons. As it stands, though, the only people with access to the new weapons are those with the old weapons, at multiple angles of approach. Judging by people's track record with pretty much anything difficult in this game, I don't see very many people turning around after getting through the new content and saying "Hey guys, let me spend some time to help you through it too." No, they're going to immediately go to the next stuff and proceed with acting like douche-bags. 'Well, I could help you out now, but that sounds like a lot of work... and I need all this stuff for myself...'

There are a lot of people in here who seem appalled by the notion that people simply take and swindle their way to the top in this game. I've played this game for 10 years, and it's pretty much always been that way when it comes to end-game content. What magical land do you people live in, where selfishness and greed aren't predominant traits of humanity?

To summarize nearly all of RushLynx's posts to save some of you some time:

"Waaaah waaaah, the people I chose to hang around treated me like shit. Therefore, everyone else should suffer now because my past experiences have tainted any visions of civility in this game. Greed and selfishness! This is the way of the world! How can you not agree with me? Clearly I'm right! I've been wronged! All those who chose to spend their time with friends in the past must suffer now! There's evil afoot! EVIL!"




There is an intelligent way to make this argument, and Rush is doing it wrong.

[RushLynx]

Therefore, everyone else should suffer now because my past experiences have tainted any visions of civility in this game.

Yeah, clearly I think you should suffer... and by suffer I mean your item should remain the exact same item it was when you earned it instead of constantly being remedied to compete in new content while the rest of us have to replace our gear.

Suggesting that you shouldn't automatically start every update with an unfair advantage over the rest of us is CLEARLY consistent with suggesting that you should suffer...

You know what, here's a solution to this that supersedes my fears. Make a new tier of magian trials for these weapons, but make the trials hundreds of kills on each new NM. That way the rest of us will have an opportunity to take part in the new content and get relevant weapons and gear while these guys continue upgrading their precious toys.

I suspect the prospect will be mute after a while anyways when they inevitably obtain the new weapons while doing the trials and opt for using those instead of continuing the upgrade in the first place. Meanwhile the damage on the new weapons will give the rest of us a place in the alliance because it will no longer seem necessary to require everyone to have an RME, there will be plenty of damage without.

(Incoming a hundred people whining that this would be too much and threatening to quit if they don't get their way. They're so hardcore, after all, and they're willing to put in so much more time and effort than the rest of us on what REALLY matters, themselves.)

[Alerith]

Yeah, clearly I think you should suffer... and by suffer I mean your item should remain the exact same item it was when you earned it instead of constantly being remedied to compete in new content while the rest of us have to replace our gear.

Suggesting that you shouldn't automatically start every update with an unfair advantage over the rest of us is CLEARLY consistent with suggesting that you should suffer...

Before I respond, I really and honestly need to know...

Are you serious?

[RushLynx]

Before I respond, I really and honestly need to know...

Are you serious?

Let me ask you something... How does leaving something you earned a while ago the exact same way it was then somehow equate to making you suffer? I'm gonna go get a cookie, it tastes better than your cookie that you went out of your way to spend $100 on, but you can have one of these at the same price I paid, $5. Are you suffering yet?

I believe that just because you felt your cookie was worth $100 doesn't mean that the bakery that sold it to you should have to go out of their way to make it better than the $5 cookie. I also believe that your $100 cookie should not be a prerequisite for people to buy the $5 cookie, and I resent the notion that your $100 cookie somehow makes you a better, more qualified, person than me... Currently that's what's happening, is this simple enough for you?

Might I add that your cookie was purchased weeks ago, while my cookie was made yesterday. Meanwhile, we both paid an entry fee, the same entry fee, to tour the new bakery, and you're mad when you see the display case with the $5 cookies...

[Kristal]

I'm really tired of this fallacy wherein we attempt to discredit people by suggesting that they "didn't play back then..." So here, have a screen shot:

There, now where's your proof of superiority? Go on, let's compare dick sizes while we're at it.

I remember when Stoneskin was nerfed. (It used to overwrite itself.) And when a pair of jokers pulled goblins to both sides of the zoneline near the popular Yhoater goblin exp camp. And when worker crawlers (and one soldier crawler) camped the entrance to crawler's nest, feeding on anyone foolish enough to enter. I remember.. hey, get off my lawn!

[Zohno]

Let me ask you something... How does leaving something you earned a while ago the exact same way it was then somehow equate to making you suffer? I'm gonna go get a cookie, it tastes better than your cookie that you went out of your way to spend $100 on, but you can have one of these at the same price I paid, $5. Are you suffering yet?

SE is not leaving the RME the way they are. They would be the same in a system whose parameters are unchanged.
The moment the system's parameters's max value have changed, they have been worsened, maybe indirectly, but they have been!
You talk about unfair advantage. Why's unfair? It's unfair because people have accomplished more stuff than you and can join those events earlier than you? What should they do? Stop playing and wait for you to reach their level?
People work hard to get the best equip to increase their desiderability. Why should their "status" get crumbled by a poorly thought update? Because the others are too lazy to dedicate theirseleves to something? (talking about strangers. if you helped someone, the least they can do is help you back, of course.)
Wanna call it e-peen? Do it if you want, but it's what this kind of games is based on or you would have seen pink nins and perle wars everywhere and this game wouldn't have lasted so long.

[RushLynx]

SE is not leaving the RME the way they are. They would be the same in a system whose parameters are unchanged.
The moment the system's parameters's max value have changed, they have been worsened, maybe indirectly, but they have been!
You talk about unfair advantage. Why's unfair? It's unfair because people have accomplished more stuff than you and can join those events earlier than you? What should they do? Stop playing and wait for you to reach their level?
People work hard to get the best equip to increase their desiderability. Why should their "status" get crumbled by a poorly thought update? Because the others are too lazy to dedicate theirseleves to something? (talking about strangers. if you helped someone, the least they can do is help you back, of course.)
Wanna call it e-peen? Do it if you want, but it's what this kind of games is based on or you would have seen pink nins and perle wars everywhere and this game wouldn't have lasted so long.

This is impossible. Let me try one last time.

Some of us have always felt that the effort/reward ratio for REMs was inadequate for us to chase after. We chose to spend our game time doing other things, like helping people and crafting... Filling other gear slots instead, or we preferred another weapon and worked towards obtaining that one. We still built up our characters, we have great armor that should be fine for new content, but there's a problem...

People feel that the new expansion requires REMs, leaving the rest of us on the sidelines, even though we have better gear than some people with REMs do. I see people in town every day with upgraded relics while the rest of their equipment is a joke. That's bad prioritizing in my opinion. I feel that this isn't the way that it should be, and that by giving in and upgrading them at this point, it would only perpetuate the idea that REMs are required for end-game content, they're not, and they shouldn't be... they never have been. I understand that some of you felt that the effort/reward ratio was adequate when you built your REM, but that's how these games work. Things get replaced. It has literally always been that way every time a new expansion was released.

Do I think those of you with REMs should suffer? No, I don't. But I see an overwhelming sense of false superiority in these forums from REM holders, constantly suggesting that those of us without REMs somehow don't deserve the opportunity to take part in new content just because we didn't spend our time upgrading the same slot or grinding through the same content as you did.

[CrAZYVIC]

To the devs this is not 2005 guys. Where the players played the shit you guys maked and nobody could complain or do something for stop it

Is 2013 now, everything has evolve, the players in the 2013 will no acept shit they dont like. In the 2013 we expect a expansion x1000 times better than treasures of aht urhgan.

At 2013 we dont will eat all the Silly ideas the dev team have.

If you guys can fix this issue with the R/M/E weapons. Dear Matsui ask Naoki Yoshida for a few ideas, take a coffe with him and talk about how you can handle FFXI, Naoki have a lot of exp in the MMRPG industry, he acepted, he played TERA, ,aion, Wow etc. Ask him a few ideas, because Tanaka and you lack of necesary knowedge how Run a MMRPG.

And please take only the good elements from that games, not the worst elements, like outdate the gear every 15 days.

For Support to the R/M/E Guys. Im canceling my Alt account is the acoount i use for farm Dynamis