Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[crutan]

This proposition for a 'fix' is obviously stating they have no intent on actually fixing it. What I don't get is why not? Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons are the perfect storm of MMO time sinks... lol. While time sinks suck for us, they're good for the developers. More time spent, more money made. Why not keep going with that? Why replace them something that takes a week to get? It makes no sense.

Just to reiterate some of the other problems this causes. Pets are worthless. Mages are worthless. Dual wielders are half-worthless. And I'm also skeptical of the economic repercussions of this... I mean it seems like a lot of the economy currently revolves around the various currencies for these weapons. With them essentially crashing(and thus all the old content you worked so hard to remake[again makes no sense]), how will this effect the economy as a whole?

I'm assuming a higher power interfered and thus this shitstorm. New CEO: "MAEK IT TIERED LIEK WOW GAIZ! WE'LL MAEK ZILLIONS~ /derpface"

[Alpheus]

You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

I'm sorry you had to go through that but you seriously helped out a bunch of assholes. And even in that light your experiences don't invalidate what Karbuncle said.

[Karbuncle]

You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

I said most. Not all.

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You're also very hypocritical in this post. The hypocricy stems from the fact you became upset by a post or accusation not meant to be directed to you, and instead of actually understanding and reading the rest of my post, you then go on to yell about "MMO This" and "ALL ABOUT YOU", which i haven't even muttered a phrase of a single time anywhere in this entire thread so I'm vastly confused as the relevance of this. Considering, as i once again spell out below, I solo'd the majority of my relic.

So either you missed the point of my post or ignored it entirely, However I would recommend reading over it, because your post alone makes you seem foolish as you are completely off base.

spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves

This is a case of having sh*tty friends and in a sh*tty linkshell. Which sucks but I don't see how its our fault.

In my LS, I didn't get my Marrows and run, I helped at least 10 other people get multiple 99 Relics, so if we're going down the "BLAME EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING" route, how about the hypocrisy of assuming relic owners leeched off the efforts of others? I solo'd 99% of my 95 Relic and the 75r currency, and only had help from a GF and my brother on rare occasions i got help.

Even when i did get my relic and my Brother Joined in helping me, In return, I farmed my brother an Excalibur, Gandiva, and Caladbolg... I'm may be the exception to the rule, but most if not all the people i know with relics got them by their own efforts, not leeching off others.

[crutan]

I'm sorry you had to go through that but you seriously helped out a bunch of assholes.

Really he just needed a friend w/ WHM and they could've gotten themselves at least 85 Empys. Better to do these type of things by yourself or a few friends really. LS always look out for their biggest ass kissers. :\

[RushLynx]

I said most. Not all.

You're also very hypocritical in this post. The hypocricy stems from the fact you became upset by a post or accusation not meant to be directed to you, and instead of actually understanding and reading the rest of my post, you then go on to yell about "MMO This" and "ALL ABOUT YOU", which i haven't even muttered a phrase of a single time anywhere in this entire thread so I'm vastly confused as the relevance of this. Considering, as i once again spell out below, I solo'd the majority of my relic.

It's not just me, and I'm not a minority here. When relics were in their original forms it was physically impossible for everyone to get one. They were extremely rare and took an entire LS years just to get one person a relic. The rest of us were rewarded with laughable payouts by today's standards (like less than 100k), and the relic armors, which of course aren't nearly as valuable today as relics still are. There are lots of us, at least those of us who didn't quit after the 75 cap broke, who were so sick of dynamis and relics and mythics by the time we could solo them that we had absolutely no desire to spend that kind of time on them... that doesn't make us lazy, by any means whatsoever. This idea that you guys spent so much time and effort on your relics that you demand upgrades, I've spent enough time over the years helping others with theirs that I should have like 20 relics by your standards, but I don't have any, and I'm okay with that... but I refuse to sit around and continue to watch the shouts in Jeuno refusing anyone who doesn't have an RME, and then come here to the forums to see you lot whining about your toys falling behind. These things shouldn't be required, they were never intended to be this common, and by no means should they be so common and so powerful that people feel the need to exclude anyone that doesn't have one.

Please note that empys ended up being the exact same way. Whole LSs farming items for one person's empy, the rest of us were rewarded with +2 items for our armors... Armors that are now quickly falling out of favor while you guys with the empys whine on the forums that your weapons don't feel as powerful as they use to.

Oh, but NNI armors are nice and only require 6 people to get too, easy stuff right? But wait, what's that? Oh yeah, you can't join a NNI static unless you have an RME... hmm....

[Cybermario]

You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

Sadly that happens a lot, god knows a bunch of morons and arrogants in my LS got weapons before i did. Heck, they made me wait a year for my verethragna, i ended doing it way late with friends, like you many of us been in that awful position while others show their epeens sure, but is no reason to say every relic/empy mythic is an ass that gets one to brag.

but I refuse to sit around and continue to watch the shouts in Jeuno refusing anyone who doesn't have an RME.

With all due respect you are a fool, you know why? just because these weapons will fall behind do not means people will stop shouting. Just the other day after out fight with Tchakka i warped back to Adoulin to watch a shout of someone asking relic/empy/skirmish/naakual ONLY weapons to join a Delve shout... so there you go, people will only take players with the new uber weapons, douchery dont go away because a weapon is obsolete and the newcomers w/o the uber weapons will suffer the same from elitists, sorry to burst your bubble.



As for reive and such, is truly absurd how they released delve this soon, maybe if they did introduce delve in 6 months (or maybe later) would make sense but right now nullified not just old content but Skirmish and fighting a naakual, aside of the KI is pointless when weapons from delve make naakual and skirmish loot obsolete.

[Karbuncle]

Honestly IDK if i agree or disagree with your post but this one thing stuck out.

Delve shout... so there you go, people will only take players with the new uber weapons, douchery dont go away because a weapon is obsolete and the newcomers w/o the uber weapons will suffer the same from elitists, sorry to burst your bubble.

This content was designed to be nearly or literally impossible without these weapons and adequate gear. Wanting to not fail a run or spend 8 hours zombie-killing an NM has nothing to do with Elitism or being a douchebag, nor does requesting the players you invite be of top grade gear level. Delve NMs are insanely hard, and unless you're a BLU, without RME or D/N/S weapons there is a significant stunt in your damage output. They were designed for best of the best players in their "Gear ladder".

If you get tired of seeing them shouts, shout yourself and invite whoever you want, and you can wipe/zombie it for 8 hours... Not trying to discourage you, but these new weapons you won't be able to access unless you're great geared, or you come as a support job like BRD or COR... not because you wont physically be invited, but because without proper gear you'll either fail miserably or you'll end up Zombie-ing in for ~8hours, which I'm sure they're in the process of nerfing/patching.

Plasm Farming you can do without a RME or D/N/S weapon, but the NMs require a certain level of gear... which I'm sad to say most players will not possess, hell most of my jobs don't possess it simply due to my lack of interest in them.

So despite them being easier to obtain than relics, You won't be able to get them reliably without top end gear/weapons anyway...

[RushLynx]

With all due respect you are a fool, you know why? just because these weapons will fall behind do not means people will stop shouting. Just the other day after out fight with Tchakka i warped back to Adoulin to watch a shout of someone asking relic/empy/skirmish/naakual ONLY weapons to join a Delve shout... so there you go, people will only take players with the new uber weapons, douchery dont go away because a weapon is obsolete and the newcomers w/o the uber weapons will suffer the same from elitists, sorry to burst your bubble.

These sorts of shouts weren't possible until RMEs were easy enough to obtain that like 30-40% of the player base had them and they continued to receive buffs. The fact of the matter is that RMEs should have stopped getting upgrades a long time ago when they became solo-able, and they should have been paralleled by things like pulse weapons. Continuing to upgrade them now will not fix this, it will only make it worse.

To that end had they not continued to upgrade RMEs maybe we wouldn't be in this awkward balance fiasco where new content seems impossible without them. People would accept that there's some other way to do the content that's not readily accessible, actually climb this gear ladder devs keep referring to, and stop trying to brute-force their way up the Delve tiers.

[crutan]

Was trying to be nice earlier, but you're basically confessing you're too lazy to equip yourself properly and expect the devs to cater to you so... Yeah. RME onry is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Why should we do the work for you? :\

[Kojo]

To be honest, I'm not really sure why I play anymore, I log in, I stand around trying to think of something to do, and I log having thought of nothing. When I think about it, I wasn't sure why I played before, but I had friends to do things with, and it was fun. I see the game changing around me and I don't like it. I'm gonna stick around awhile longer just to see what happens.

EDIT: I suppose one idea is to level WHM and use that to gear my other jobs... Maybe?