New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[MarkovChain]

most high end linkshells have a waiting list or points you have to spend to aquire high end pieces

All gimp LS do that. High end LS don't exist anymore. The point system has never worked in FFXI and never will. That's it. The best and fairest way to get those weapons, at this point in the game, is too build a shout alliance with everything free lot.

Point systems don't work, trust me.

[Zumi]

All gimp LS do that. High end LS don't exist anymore. The point system has never worked in FFXI and never will. That's it. The best and fairest way to get those weapons, at this point in the game, is too build a shout alliance with everything free lot.

Point systems don't work, trust me.

I would have to agree point systems don't work, they are used so that leaders and the people at the top get everything, someone who just joined gets nothing for a very long time while helping leaders click of people get all the gear. You complain about getting nothing they call you greedy and kick you from the LS.

[Areayea]

All gimp LS do that. High end LS don't exist anymore. The point system has never worked in FFXI and never will. That's it. The best and fairest way to get those weapons, at this point in the game, is too build a shout alliance with everything free lot.

Point systems don't work, trust me.

they had their place, especially back in 36x people dynamis... if you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably weren't there.


Edit: Also sky linkshells, pretty much any real content pre ToAU and somewhat ToAU/WotG (If you remember Ixion farming...)

[Karbuncle]

I already understand what you're saying and to that I respond: The ignorance of the past is astounding. We've been here before with Abyssea when most of the solid pieces in XI went belly up and it happened virtually overnight.

Can you truly not see the difference between a Level cap increase from 75 to 99 completely replacing armor, and whats going on now?

Lets put this out of the way. I do get your point, But Its not that we want sidegrades, Its that we want our armor to actually be something, our weapons to mean something. With this design direction, there is 0 attachment to your weapons. IDK About you, But I've invested years into my character, and I've come to cherish some of its possessions. I still have my Carbuncle's Pole cause of its sentimental value, though i never expected it to remain tops... i mean, each and every armor i work hard for I work that hard knowing that its going to mean something for me for some time.

I hate tossing armor, and while i know its going to happen eventually in an MMO, FFXI always had that sense of Longevity that i enjoyed about it, its why i kept coming back to this game. If i took a break for 2-3 Months, when I come back, how far back am i going to be? am i going to have to grind 5-6 Events to get the armor to participate in the event they're outdating next week? Will i have to leech?

While i appreciate and in the past even asked for more upgrades, I didn't want the "Evil Genie" to turn this into a gear-ladder geargrinding Generic MMO.

Moving on, Lets try not to neglect the other 8-9 Years previous to Abyssea where Armor not getting outdated was still pretty status Quot. Armada Hauberk and Byakko's Haidate were still the best things in the world at 75 cap even post Salvage, and Salvage introduced arguably the best gear since Kings. I'm not saying I <3 Kings or anything, But I'm saying I and many like me chose this game, or grew used to the design idea of gear having solid longevity, even if it was a year, or two, you grew pretty comfortable your achievement meant something.

Now whats your achievement? a stepping stone to an event thats already been replaced by another event two weeks ago. Its not that armor is getting outdated, its the speed in which they're out-dating it, it does not fit FFXI, and never has. Even during Abyssea, Empyrean+1~+2 Armor held strongly as the best stuff even well into 99.

You get a few good pieces in an event like Meebles and therest is garbage carted off to the side. Great, thats the diversity we want? 90% of content gear junked because itsa sidegrade of a sidegrade? Gotcha.

The more you distort and misunderstand our views the more foolish your argument becomes.

Edit: Oh, and... Satan's going ice-skating.

All gimp LS do that. High end LS don't exist anymore. The point system has never worked in FFXI and never will. That's it. The best and fairest way to get those weapons, at this point in the game, is too build a shout alliance with everything free lot.

Point systems don't work, trust me.

I agree. While some high-End LS's do exist (I don't judge Hi-End by the amount of hair on ones neck), Point systems simply do not work out for anyone except sack holders, LS leaders, and people who server hop after getting what they want >_>.

[bryangelos]

That is quite unfortunate that you've spent so much time on pointless grinds. In SE's eyes, it's time to start moving people to bigger and better things. Relics were kings for well over 6 years of XI's life, then come Mythics then eventually Empyreans. No other MMO keeps 1 set of weapons or armor the top tier for numerous years.

And no, you can't convince me that collecting 1500 metal plates for example was supposed to be a challenge or collecting riftdross/cinder was etc etc, none of the weapons excluding Mythics were actually "hard work". So in reality, the barrier of entry for this content is actually much more harder than gaining a relic/empyrean is.

Not gonna lie, the ragequit is pretty funny, but then again I've played more MMOs than just FFXI so maybe I just understand this is the natural order of things. It sucks your hours upon hours of wasted time on nothing is outdone, but tell me, do you see everyone and their mother with it? Why not just...get one yourself and not cry about it? You chose to get a R/E/M to be "the best" did you not? Why not continue that trend?

I mean, let's be real here:

Empyrean Step 1:
Slaughter endless amount of NMs usually 3-8 times, with said NMs having the possibility of spawning between 1-24+ hours.
-Why is this necessary? Shouldn't 1 kill be enough? Why NMs that can lotto pop between 1 hour to up to 3 days?

Empyrean Step 2:
Slaughter VNMs.
-This is NP, but why if your crystal upgrade? Then you need to farm another tier 2 crystal which can take days if you're unlucky.

Empyrean Step 3:
Fetch time, bitches!
-Why do I need to collect 50 helmets? Nevermind the fact this monster can drop 2 helmets when he's clearly only wearing one, but why do I need 50 of them? Then I need to collect 75 fangs of a giant sandworm, why is it, despite the 20 or teeth clearly present in its mouth that it only drops 1-2? Let's not get into the fact that these things are somehow reviving endlessly to begin with.

Empyrean Stage 4:
Fetch time, deux bitches!
-Why do I need to collect 1500 metal plates? Or any other silly item needed? Why couldn't I do something akin to FFXIV where I'd have to slaughter something challenging (even if its just at first.)

Now, if we look at just the first bit of empyrean, what part of that is challenging or hard work? We're not even going to touch on Relics because Relics is nothing but money farming for 99% of it, something that isn't hard at all.

I hate to say it, I really really do hate to say it, but FFXIV's relic quest was much more challenging than getting a relic or empyrean in this game. The only hard weapon line is Mythic, and that was at 75 cap. What do these weapons have in common?

1. Item Fetching that's pointless.
2. Artificial difficulty in terms of lockout timers and low drop rates.
3. Busy work.

It's time to move on and SE sees this.

The reason i will not get the new items is because i don't know if they will be outdated in a month. I got the weapons i did thinking they would be the best or at least very close to the best. If you read my quote i said if they continue down this path. The path i'm referring to is making all old content obsolete and just new content is worth doing.

I know you might say well i can still do old content, but i didn't do dynamis everyday because i enjoyed it, i did it to get the best weapons. At this time the only content i see worth doing is delve and that is not enough to keep me playing, and like most like to point out, "if you don't like it quit, every MMO outdates all gear" well i thought ff11 had 1 slot they wouldn't and since i was wrong i'm taking the advice of others. I'm quitting.

[Hayward]

Edit: Oh, and... Satan's going ice-skating.

Come on, that guy's been skating in Buffalo forever for the Sabres.

Oh, not that Satan?

(had to get that in to loosen things up)

[Yinnyth]

The reason i will not get the new items is because i don't know if they will be outdated in a month.

And how do you intend to get the newer, better weapons without the delve weapons? Your effort will not have been wasted. It's like saying "I'm afraid of getting to level 99 because they're probably just going to raise the level cap again soon."

[Alpheus]

They probably implemented this huge spike in firepower as an alternative to raising the level cap actually. Except that prob wasn't going to do it on it's own so they decided to scrap the lvl cap part and just implemented a bunch of powerful weapons and armor (DEF rating wise)

That being said I dislike how they are going about this but I do agree with what they are trying to achieve. It's the degree with which they are handling this that has me unsettled.

[Asymptotic]

So why exactly did everyone complain about Salvage 2 sidegrades again?
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Most of the people who complained about Salvage 2 were people with no mathematical grasp on FFXI (or Blue Mages)

And how do you intend to get the newer, better weapons without the delve weapons? Your effort will not have been wasted. It's like saying "I'm afraid of getting to level 99 because they're probably just going to raise the level cap again soon."

The people who are complaining do not want this - they do not want to do X event in order to do Y event in order to do Z event

They want to be able to freely choose which content they participate in based on their current needs and enjoyment level from the content

The gear treadmill model employed by other MMOs will not work in FFXI - it's not what the majority of the players want


AND AGAIN - no one intelligent is complaining about new strong gear - but when you release weapons with double the strength of weapons that people took hundreds of real hours of manpower to build in the course of a one-month period you can expect that people are going to short circuit

[Damane]

Can you truly not see the difference between a Level cap increase from 75 to 99 completely replacing armor, and whats going on now?

Lets put this out of the way. I do get your point, But Its not that we want sidegrades, Its that we want our armor to actually be something, our weapons to mean something. With this design direction, there is 0 attachment to your weapons. IDK About you, But I've invested years into my character, and I've come to cherish some of its possessions. I still have my Carbuncle's Pole cause of its sentimental value, though i never expected it to remain tops... i mean, each and every armor i work hard for I work that hard knowing that its going to mean something for me for some time.

I hate tossing armor, and while i know its going to happen eventually in an MMO, FFXI always had that sense of Longevity that i enjoyed about it, its why i kept coming back to this game. If i took a break for 2-3 Months, when I come back, how far back am i going to be? am i going to have to grind 5-6 Events to get the armor to participate in the event they're outdating next week? Will i have to leech?

While i appreciate and in the past even asked for more upgrades, I didn't want the "Evil Genie" to turn this into a gear-ladder geargrinding Generic MMO.

Moving on, Lets try not to neglect the other 8-9 Years previous to Abyssea where Armor not getting outdated was still pretty status Quot. Armada Hauberk and Byakko's Haidate were still the best things in the world at 75 cap even post Salvage, and Salvage introduced arguably the best gear since Kings. I'm not saying I <3 Kings or anything, But I'm saying I and many like me chose this game, or grew used to the design idea of gear having solid longevity, even if it was a year, or two, you grew pretty comfortable your achievement meant something.

Now whats your achievement? a stepping stone to an event thats already been replaced by another event two weeks ago. Its not that armor is getting outdated, its the speed in which they're out-dating it, it does not fit FFXI, and never has. Even during Abyssea, Empyrean+1~+2 Armor held strongly as the best stuff even well into 99.



The more you distort and misunderstand our views the more foolish your argument becomes.

Edit: Oh, and... Satan's going ice-skating.



I agree. While some high-End LS's do exist (I don't judge Hi-End by the amount of hair on ones neck), Point systems simply do not work out for anyone except sack holders, LS leaders, and people who server hop after getting what they want >_>.

I actually prefer the oposite, Sidegrades at 75 were becomeing stale and abyssea made a cut and fresh start by makeign everything else obsolete. I liked it alot, even tough alot of my old gear got trashed and my relic weapon too (until the 95 and 99 upgrade boosts were introduced). It was somethign new something fresh and everyon could participate.

I dont mind the new cut in adoulin. Infact I find it refreshing VW is now what almost 2 years old and legion 1.5 years? I dont mind haveing now newer or better gear after 2 years, besides not everything got wasted. It would be tough a bit too much if they would do it every 3 months, but I think delve introduced a nice way where weaposn and gear go and I think what will follow now for ~2 years is sidegrades of delve armor/weapons.