New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Umichi]

I'd wager a guess not everyone is heading for the expansion, Since I know a good chunk of people who are not renewing their subscriptions, myself included... I've quit off and on a few times over the years, never for very long, but still occasionally something would come up. Lack of motivation, friends quitting... something.

I don't mind doing Old content if its enjoyable. some of its gotten less enjoyable. I still enjoy doing Salvage II, and NNI Was fun, while NNI isn't out-dated entirely, Salvage I/II Just became a lot less attractive. Plus, Before i could even get to a Wildskeeper, they've completely crapped on them. I haven't even gotten to beat Rala Skirmish, and its already pointless to do so.

there will always be people who want to bash the content as fast as possible either to be firsters or just to beat the shit out of it cause there is no other challenge... so don't feel to bad about people beating it before you. that is if thats what you meant.

If it makes you feel any better outside of a little bit of sky and a little bit of old school nyzule and some assault and alot of WoE i really havent even touched much of the endgame content in this game. I'm starting to do dynamis for the sake of my relic which i still plan on completing.

[Afania]

I'd wager a guess not everyone is heading for the expansion, Since I know a good chunk of people who are not renewing their subscriptions, myself included... I've quit off and on a few times over the years, never for very long, but still occasionally something would come up. Lack of motivation, friends quitting... something.

I don't mind doing Old content if its enjoyable. some of its gotten less enjoyable. I still enjoy doing Salvage II, and NNI Was fun, while NNI isn't out-dated entirely, Salvage I/II Just became a lot less attractive. Plus, Before i could even get to a Wildskeeper, they've completely crapped on them. I haven't even gotten to beat Rala Skirmish, and its already pointless to do so.

Honestly I'd be fine with new weapons as long as SE clearly shows when and how R/E/M gets buffed so effort isn't wasted, and tells everyone how they're going to keep salvage2/NNI etc relevant so Mythic still obtainable. But they don't, and don't have a plan atm. They just dragged players to new content in worst possible way I can think of, by completely changed current economy and job/weapon hierarchy, with little to no communication.

[Tamoa]

Honestly I'd be fine with new weapons as long as SE clearly shows when and how R/E/M gets buffed so effort isn't wasted, and tells everyone how they're going to keep salvage2/NNI etc relevant so Mythic still obtainable. But they don't, and don't have a plan atm. They just dragged players to new content in worst possible way I can think of, by completely changed current economy and job/weapon hierarchy.

This, so much. Would like it a thousand times over if I could.

[Karbuncle]

there will always be people who want to bash the content as fast as possible either to be firsters or just to beat the shit out of it cause there is no other challenge... so don't feel to bad about people beating it before you. that is if thats what you meant.

If it makes you feel any better outside of a little bit of sky and a little bit of old school nyzule and some assault and alot of WoE i really havent even touched much of the endgame content in this game. I'm starting to do dynamis for the sake of my relic which i still plan on completing.

I don't mind people beating content before me, I do however fail to understand outdating items that 80-90% of the playerbase hasn't touched yet. I've participated in 2 Skirmishes, this was with buying 3 pieces myself, and actively hunting them when I coult. Failed one, Won the other, got a Scythe out of it, but the problem remains... I haven't even seen a Wildskeeper Reive yet, and already there's no reason to do it :\.

I'm just, Mixed feelings TBH, I like they're pumping out new content, but honestly I just wish this new content would have been "OMGWTF" armor to match the "OMGWTF Weapons" we just got, instead of "OMGWTFEVERYTHING" that it is. Is... that weird?

[Lotto]

You thought the best was "forever".

It's not. Welcome to Adoulin and the forseeable future, but expect they'll put in an R/M/E upgrade path sometime down the line. For now, this means everyone heads for the new expansion, which is what they want- players not stuck doing the same repeated content for years.

You still don't get it. When the mythics were released SE clearly stated that those weapons wouldn't have been as powerful as relics (and they failed). When the empyreans came out, they managed to balance them to make empys close or even to relics. However now, they just added new weapons with ridiculous base damage without even thinking 30s about balancing with R/E/Ms and yet they even admitted that currently they still don't know how they'll upgrade R/E/Ms.

At this point there are only 2 possibilities : They're either trying to kill the game before the release of FFXIV or the devs are just a bunch of retards who don't know anything about their own games.

[Metaking]

There really is no need for balancing outside of pets all of our JA and spells are bassed off of stats. so in reality the only balancing they really need to do is create a better monster.

yes but thats like telling someone with a 30 dmg weapon to not worry about someone with a 300 dmg weapon because your weapon skill is based on a stat. For black mages and white mages there spells Have a base V that pritty much determines the max potential a nuke can have (yes capping dint is impossible on the higher tier of nukes but it also has a kinda nasty soft cap) and on most elemental weaponskills there is a Dstat (dint dagi ext) that generally is caped but even the uncaped ones will suffer unless se increases the Dstat, lets take sanguine blade dint 2.0 for it to match the D of the new weapons you need somthing like 65 int over your target mind you magical weapon skills only hit once have lower ftp and other issues, but yea.... most blu magical spells also follow the magical formula but have caps on Dvalues. cor shots you got me, im not sure how those work

[Karbuncle]

COR shots DMG is based of MAB and Gun/Bullet Damage IIRC... Pretty sure its based on Gun/bullet DMG.

AGI is for Accuracy IIRC (and Macc works too)

[Metaking]

lucky Star Onion Brigaders theirs(cor) should scale well then thx for info Karbuncle

[Gwynplaine]

At this point there are only 2 possibilities : They're either trying to kill the game before the release of FFXIV or the devs are just a bunch of retards who don't know anything about their own games.

I have the exact opposite opinion. I felt like all the recycled endgame content they made up during the time they were focusing on FFXIV was awful and that it was an attempt to get players going to FFXIV. I hated it so much I unsubscribed for a year. Content that is actually new and rewarding gives the game an actual future beyond playing the same endgame there has been since 2006.

[Byrth]

most high end linkshells have a waiting list or points you have to spend to aquire high end pieces or to wait in line to get yours built so, essentially it won't require luck per se (that's not to say someone could get lucky)

You obviously haven't been in a high end LS recently.

you yourself just said that
1) don't know if it's buyable with plasma
2) 1% chance that it doesn't drop from bosses (lets not forget percentages are constants so even with a 99% chance there is still a 1% chance that it doesn't drop from bosses implying you don't know if it drops from bosses or not)
3) you do not know the drop rate if it even drops at all

1) Airlixir +2s cost something like 100k Plasma and they're used to augment armors. Even if they can be bought with Plasma, will they actually be buyable that way? I don't know, but it wouldn't impact any of the issues I raised if they were.
2) They're the same models as the weapons that drop from the new Bee, Shark, and T-rex on the overworld Wildskeeper Reives. The Delve bosses are a Bee, Shark, and T-rex. It's a fact that's just awaiting confirmation at this point.
3) That's true. Still, how would the drop rate being higher negate what I said?

so without knowing all the facts how can you definitively state that this will even be luck based?

Yes. I can. Even if the drop rate is fairly high, it's still going to be luck-based whether or not it drops to your alliance and whether or not you win the lot. The content is almost certainly going to be difficult because even the NQ NMs on the overworld are pretty hard right now.

also last i checked RME weapons rely on luck based loot drops to aquire them. regardless that you just bought from a bazaar someone had to hunt for it(and thats for the buyable pieces).

Edit: on that note finding and obtaining gil is luck based even lol...

Not nearly to the same degree. At all. You're talking about farming 17,000 items that drops ~2.5/kill (Relic), 30,000 items that give ~100/run (Mythic), or ~175 items that drop ~1.5/kill (Empyrean). Those are just a matter of preparedness and directing all your resources towards the goal for the job you like. The new system is just a matter of going in with your alliance, and if it drops then maybe you lot it and gear your dragoon. Why would you do that? Well, because if you get that polearm then Dragoon can easily become your best DD job.