New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Elexia]

For the love of god can we at least see what plans devs have in store for r/e/m before brandishing pitchforks?
The fact that this thread has more posts than the others mean people are not concerned with communicating ideas on how to make events more fun but rather that there e-peen is not best anymore, All this crap about "hard work" in a video game...really? And then you have the asshats who talk about how things suck now but how things was so dam great during "kings"

The irony is...none of the R/E/M is hard work. It's just 99% fetch quests. Mythics are stupidly designed and there were a huge topic recently calling for SE to fix it..oh, yeah people forgot about that huh?

Mythic has a portion you need to do Assaults and Salvage, ok that's cool..except you can only do 4-5 assaults a day and you need a constantly supply of assault points in order to do Salvage up to 2 times a day..that's such hard work. Then you need to collect 30,000 alexandrites.

Why? Like..seriously, why? Not even the "story" explains why they need 30,000. People are just exaggerating the "hard work" needed for an REM these days because if it was such hard work why is it that you're spamming easy content or wasting so much gil buying frivolous items when they could actually make content for progressing the weapons that would actually be hard work?

Sorry to say but spamming VW or buying out of bazaars is the least acceptable definition of hard work. Especially when most of the update path requires kill shots on hundreds of monsters (why hundreds of thousands? you already did your "hard work" obtaining the weapon.)

As much as I love FFXI, some people honestly can't see past their own noses.

If you think its about Epeen you have read so very little

"My weapon I worked "so hard for" is outdone by a stronger weapon and I refuse to go and get the better option."

That's definitely not Epeen, that's just whining.

[Karbuncle]

The irony is...none of the R/E/M is hard work. It's just 99% fetch quests. Mythics are stupidly designed and there were a huge topic recently calling for SE to fix it..oh, yeah people forgot about that huh?

Mythic has a portion you need to do Assaults and Salvage, ok that's cool..except you can only do 4-5 assaults a day and you need a constantly supply of assault points in order to do Salvage up to 2 times a day..that's such hard work. Then you need to collect 30,000 alexandrites.

Why? Like..seriously, why? Not even the "story" explains why they need 30,000. People are just exaggerating the "hard work" needed for an REM these days because if it was such hard work why is it that you're spamming easy content or wasting so much gil buying frivolous items when they could actually make content for progressing the weapons that would actually be hard work?

Sorry to say but spamming VW or buying out of bazaars is the least acceptable definition of hard work. Especially when most of the update path requires kill shots on hundreds of monsters (why hundreds of thousands? you already did your "hard work" obtaining the weapon.)

As much as I love FFXI, some people honestly can't see past their own noses.



"My weapon I worked "so hard for" is outdone by a stronger weapon and I refuse to go and get the better option."

That's definitely not Epeen, that's just whining.

None of the R/M/E Are hard work
>Doesn't own any 99 Versions.

If its so easy, Why aren't you swimming in 99 RME? Oh, cause your talking out of your ass. Yes, Getting a 75/80 R or E is stupid easy, Getting it to 90/95 from there is also quite easy, Getting them to 95/99 (E and R respectively), Not easy. Getting an Afterglow? Downright insaniac level.

Mythics are a whole other ballpark. They're stupid no matter how you look at it. But the downright point is, sh*ts no cake walk, and while yes, there is some level of ease in getting them these days, Getting them to 99 is a real chore for all 3. ADL is annoying at best and downright stupid at worst, 1,500 Metal plates is no easy task, rather you farm the gil for it or do VW yourself... Both are a long drawn out task, Gil doesn't just appear in your inventory... Just, downright, the point is, R/M/E Are not at all easy to get to 99, rather you buy it all or not, Its expensive and you have to earn the gil somewhere, or its time consuming and its not so easy to collect 1,500 Plates or 5 Marrows if all you have if yourself.

You guys trivialize the efforts of others all in the name of "hurt epeen" bashing, when in essence, all you're doing is getting a power high off some false sense of accomplishment because you think every RME holder is some elitist epeener who wants nothing more than to dump on those without them, which is flat out Bullsh*t. I didn't get my Relic to 99 because i was wanting t0 sh*t on Parses, I got a Mandau for crying out loud, I got it cause I loved THF, not to show anyone up, and I don't think I'm better than anyone else for it.

But, seriously though, I have to reiterate, for me, Its not even about RME anymore, That is a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger problem, which I've explained in my previous post. And the only thing bashing everyone and trivializing their work is doing is showing how terrible of a person you really are, you are no different than the hypothetical elitists you are bashing... the second you feel an ounce of power in your belly you go on a high horse spree laughing at the misfortune of others, judging them all by the same standard.

[Byrth]

The irony is...none of the R/E/M is hard work. It's just 99% fetch quests. Mythics are stupidly designed and there were a huge topic recently calling for SE to fix it..oh, yeah people forgot about that huh?

Mythic has a portion you need to do Assaults and Salvage, ok that's cool..except you can only do 4-5 assaults a day and you need a constantly supply of assault points in order to do Salvage up to 2 times a day..that's such hard work. Then you need to collect 30,000 alexandrites.

Why? Like..seriously, why? Not even the "story" explains why they need 30,000. People are just exaggerating the "hard work" needed for an REM these days because if it was such hard work why is it that you're spamming easy content or wasting so much gil buying frivolous items when they could actually make content for progressing the weapons that would actually be hard work?

Sorry to say but spamming VW or buying out of bazaars is the least acceptable definition of hard work. Especially when most of the update path requires kill shots on hundreds of monsters (why hundreds of thousands? you already did your "hard work" obtaining the weapon.)

As much as I love FFXI, some people honestly can't see past their own noses.

I guess what you've failed to do is explain how this new system is in any way superior to the old system.

I'd also like to hear your thoughts on why radically changing the game reward design is a good idea when subscribers were apparently comfortable enough with the old system to stay subscribed for 11 years. Specifically, we've moved from a fairly unique "any gear you make will be useful for years" reward system to a Warcraft-esque "new dungeon came out. Time to ditch all your old gear and get the new stuff" system. How is this alternative superior in a game that does not really have the potential to attract new subscribers but was very good at retaining old ones?

[Lotto]

"My weapon I worked "so hard for" is outdone by a stronger weapon and I refuse to go and get the better option."

That's definitely not Epeen, that's just whining.

You don't seem to understand why R/E/Ms are complaining. I don't mind that some weapons are close or a bit higher than my R/E/Ms 99 but when a weapon that you can buy at the AH just destroy a weapon I needed months to build, there's a problem. Another thing is they don't even offer a solution right now, the "we'll look into it" isn't acceptable. Right now I feel cheated, this is just an insult from SE to every R/E/Ms 99 holders.

When I check the stats on all those new weapons I only see the message from SE to some his players : ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

[Zagen]

You don't seem to understand why R/E/Ms are complaining. I don't mind that some weapons are close or a bit higher than my R/E/Ms 99 but when a weapon that you can buy at the AH just destroy a weapon I needed months to build, there's a problem. Another thing is they don't even offer a solution right now, the "we'll look into it" isn't acceptable. Right now I feel cheated, this is just an insult from SE to every R/E/Ms 99 holders.

When I check the stats on all those new weapons I only see the message from SE to some his players : ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

If you feel that way then do so like many others and unsubscribe. If you honestly think whining on here is going to get R/E/M updates out any faster you're well crazier than the devs that came up with the new weapons.

I'm more than likely in the same or similar boat as Elexia, my weapons have been out classed now it's time to replace them.

If all of you canceled instead of crying, one of two things happens:

1) R/E/M get pushed to the top of the priority list.
2) You kill off the profit of FFXI and it dies.

In either case you "win" and your voice is heard.

[Rustic]

You don't seem to understand why R/E/Ms are complaining. I don't mind that some weapons are close or a bit higher than my R/E/Ms 99 but when a weapon that you can buy at the AH just destroy a weapon I needed months to build, there's a problem. Another thing is they don't even offer a solution right now, the "we'll look into it" isn't acceptable. Right now I feel cheated, this is just an insult from SE to every R/E/Ms 99 holders.

You thought the best was "forever".

It's not. Welcome to Adoulin and the forseeable future, but expect they'll put in an R/M/E upgrade path sometime down the line. For now, this means everyone heads for the new expansion, which is what they want- players not stuck doing the same repeated content for years.

[Karbuncle]

You thought the best was "forever".

It's not. Welcome to Adoulin and the forseeable future, but expect they'll put in an R/M/E upgrade path sometime down the line. For now, this means everyone heads for the new expansion, which is what they want- players not stuck doing the same repeated content for years.

I'd wager a guess not everyone is heading for the expansion, Since I know a good chunk of people who are not renewing their subscriptions, myself included... I've quit off and on a few times over the years, never for very long, but still occasionally something would come up. Lack of motivation, friends quitting... something.

I don't mind doing Old content if its enjoyable. some of its gotten less enjoyable. I still enjoy doing Salvage II, and NNI Was fun, while NNI isn't out-dated entirely, Salvage I/II Just became a lot less attractive. Plus, Before i could even get to a Wildskeeper, they've completely crapped on them. I haven't even gotten to beat Rala Skirmish, and its already pointless to do so.

But as it stands, this MMO design usually sinks MMO's pretty quick. Almost every new MMO with this market is dead or dying, FTP+Eshop, or something... The only one to survive on it is WoW because well, they came first, and people are generally far more addicted to their first MMO than many others. It Works for WoW cause its the status quot, most people who play FFXI did so because they liked the longevity, turning it into a repeatedly outdating gear ladder is very risky, and I don't think they have the time or resources to manage to pull out the content in the way its required if they're taking this path.

[Umichi]

I'd wager a guess not everyone is heading for the expansion, Since I know a good chunk of people who are not renewing their subscriptions, myself included... I've quit off and on a few times over the years, never for very long, but still occasionally something would come up. Lack of motivation, friends quitting... something.

I don't mind doing Old content if its enjoyable. some of its gotten less enjoyable. I still enjoy doing Salvage II, and NNI Was fun, while NNI isn't out-dated entirely, Salvage I/II Just became a lot less attractive. Plus, Before i could even get to a Wildskeeper, they've completely crapped on them. I haven't even gotten to beat Rala Skirmish, and its already pointless to do so.

there will always be people who want to bash the content as fast as possible either to be firsters or just to beat the shit out of it cause there is no other challenge... so don't feel to bad about people beating it before you. that is if thats what you meant.

If it makes you feel any better outside of a little bit of sky and a little bit of old school nyzule and some assault and alot of WoE i really havent even touched much of the endgame content in this game. I'm starting to do dynamis for the sake of my relic which i still plan on completing.

[Karbuncle]

there will always be people who want to bash the content as fast as possible either to be firsters or just to beat the shit out of it cause there is no other challenge... so don't feel to bad about people beating it before you. that is if thats what you meant.

If it makes you feel any better outside of a little bit of sky and a little bit of old school nyzule and some assault and alot of WoE i really havent even touched much of the endgame content in this game. I'm starting to do dynamis for the sake of my relic which i still plan on completing.

I don't mind people beating content before me, I do however fail to understand outdating items that 80-90% of the playerbase hasn't touched yet. I've participated in 2 Skirmishes, this was with buying 3 pieces myself, and actively hunting them when I coult. Failed one, Won the other, got a Scythe out of it, but the problem remains... I haven't even seen a Wildskeeper Reive yet, and already there's no reason to do it :\.

I'm just, Mixed feelings TBH, I like they're pumping out new content, but honestly I just wish this new content would have been "OMGWTF" armor to match the "OMGWTF Weapons" we just got, instead of "OMGWTFEVERYTHING" that it is. Is... that weird?

[Afania]

I'd wager a guess not everyone is heading for the expansion, Since I know a good chunk of people who are not renewing their subscriptions, myself included... I've quit off and on a few times over the years, never for very long, but still occasionally something would come up. Lack of motivation, friends quitting... something.

I don't mind doing Old content if its enjoyable. some of its gotten less enjoyable. I still enjoy doing Salvage II, and NNI Was fun, while NNI isn't out-dated entirely, Salvage I/II Just became a lot less attractive. Plus, Before i could even get to a Wildskeeper, they've completely crapped on them. I haven't even gotten to beat Rala Skirmish, and its already pointless to do so.

Honestly I'd be fine with new weapons as long as SE clearly shows when and how R/E/M gets buffed so effort isn't wasted, and tells everyone how they're going to keep salvage2/NNI etc relevant so Mythic still obtainable. But they don't, and don't have a plan atm. They just dragged players to new content in worst possible way I can think of, by completely changed current economy and job/weapon hierarchy, with little to no communication.