So is delve for new lvl 99 players?

[Karbuncle]

Mul was a pain in the but5. sorry cant explain in super detail cause im posting from a 3ds and its a pain

[macross]

Where do you think arise and meteor comes from? That = the best drops from legion, not to mention the ormolu ingots.
If not for people doing legion arise and meteor would cost you 50m or whatever unless you were somehow lucky and got it from prov.

Learn some teamwork and get stuff done, and don't complain its too hard.

[Miiyo]

About legion though, the FFXI community doesn't really like it very much. You rarely see shouts for it. I seen maybe like 10 or so shouts ever for it. I always wanted to try it but every time I saw a shout for it I was already committed to doing something else usually joined a VW or NNI shout.

I am not even sure why people don't want to do legion.

Because they would've gotten curb stomped. The "ungimped" legion was fun. Some of the rewards are nice. The abjuration gear was not thought out very well however.

It's not a very shout friendly event since there are roles that have to be played and minimum gear requirements. As to how the majority of the player base is mediocre, you sooner end up with a waste of time than a success. It was an event aimed at long time players that wanted a new challenge.

[Miiyo]

Looks like this is a case of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" in the case of the development team. Accessible gear (Empyrean +2 Armor, for example) just is not acceptable to some people who feel the need to look down on everyone else and the devs cater to these insecure gaming geeks with content that locks out anyone who doesn't have Relic/Empyrean/ Mythic weapons, VoidWatch gear, or New Nyzul gear. In some cases, the content is made practically unwinnable with most jobs (see New Nyzul, Legion, etc.).

One question the developers need to ask themselves: What point is there to making gear drops in content that doesn't allow most jobs to take advantage of it?

Edit: The above post makes my point for me before I could even post this. Too many people seem to want Empyrean +2 armor to become as meaningless as Relic Armor became at 75...and for what? To inflate their already out-of-control egos?

No. Not at all for ego issues. It's because some of us have had Empyrean +2 Armor for 3 years and cleared voidwatch and legion a long time ago. That is why new challenges and new gear come out. Because there are players who play for a long time and have obtained "good gear" and need an appropriate challenge. My question is why are you guys bitching about harder content? Why MUST you do THIS content just because it's there? Why MUST you skip over other things like getting an empyrean weapon, or nyzul gear, or salvage gear, or einherjar, or voidwatch, or legion but yet you MUST do Adoulin and Delve?

The cycle is: grow to obtain something. When you have obtained it, don't you need something worthy of using it on. At the same time, This something worthy needs to give a reward suitible for the effort put in to be able to triumph over this feat. With that reward you seek a challenge worthy of using it on...

[Miiyo]

So you had no Arises for the worst cast scenario, only 2 stunners who didn't have macc staff (and have to rely on wild card to keep embrava up full time), and level 90 empy geared melee? Well color me impressed, cause my group probably couldn't do what your group did.

In Mul, more than 2 deaths shouldn't be happening. Elemental seal on the Mantis for stuns. I dunno, we don't normally have a problem with it. I've always gone with groups similar to Krabnuckle's and on Mul we've reached up to 5th wave multiple times. I'm sch and my stun macro consists of Chatoyant, Hyaline Hate, Nares Saio, Sweven Slacks +1, Nares Clogs, Repartie Gloves, and a few other +1/2 pieces. I don't have any problems.

[detlef]

In Mul, more than 2 deaths shouldn't be happening. Elemental seal on the Mantis for stuns. I dunno, we don't normally have a problem with it. I've always gone with groups similar to Krabnuckle's and on Mul we've reached up to 5th wave multiple times. I'm sch and my stun macro consists of Chatoyant, Hyaline Hate, Nares Saio, Sweven Slacks +1, Nares Clogs, Repartie Gloves, and a few other +1/2 pieces. I don't have any problems.

Sure death shouldn't happen but sometimes things get through. And when they do it's helpful to have a 3 minute weakness. Why *shouldn't* you expect your WHMs to have Arise?

[Yinnyth]

Sure death shouldn't happen but sometimes things get through. And when they do it's helpful to have a 3 minute weakness. Why *shouldn't* you expect your WHMs to have Arise?

Oh, oh, I'll take this one. Because you don't want to seem like an elitist ass?

You are allowed to hold your linkshell to certain standards, but expecting your legion whms to already have the one big prize legion has for whms is... dumb. It's like refusing a sch from your nyzul static because they don't already have full nares. That's the whole freaking reason they're willing to come along.

[detlef]

Wait... it's elitist to expect WHMs to have a 4m spell for probably the most demanding event in the game at the moment? And we're acting like WHM is their only job and Arise is the whole reason that any WHM would want to do Legion? I don't even want to start this argument because we're obviously too far apart to come to any sort of agreement.

[Hayward]

I took this from the Alla forums to illustrate my point more clearly. Draw your own conclusions.

They need content that's fun but challenging, with a difficulty level high enough to appeal to those more veteran players. There's a lot of content out for the more casual ones, but there's nothing I'd consider difficult content wise right now. Sure, how they said it probably wasn't the most eloquent way of putting it, but I understand the reasons behind them saying that.

I think it was perfectly eloquent if you understand the Japanese way of thinking, which in this case has a lot more common sense than the American way of thinking of entitlement. In their culture, it's okay to cut your teeth, and they would rather risk making it harder on newcomers (if not outright condone this) than offending their loyal, dues paying, members. This is the way practically all memberships work in Japan.

The underlying thinking of this post is about as offensive as it can get--I won't even get too deep into the "American entitlement" BS. Even worse is that this mentality is being applied to a game.

[Caketime]

Wait... it's elitist to expect WHMs to have a 4m spell for probably the most demanding event in the game at the moment? And we're acting like WHM is their only job and Arise is the whole reason that any WHM would want to do Legion? I don't even want to start this argument because we're obviously too far apart to come to any sort of agreement.

HEY NEW LEGION WHM, Y U NO HAVE ARISE ALREADY?!

I'm hoping that by being obnoxious you see the point very clearly.