So is delve for new lvl 99 players?

[Sfchakan]

Fulad's not a TP piece, it's a WS piece. I know it's best in slot for PLD CdC.

[Alhanelem]

The new director has the right mindset when he told us that its unreasonable and impossible to balance all 22 jobs to be useful in every single event,

I agree, but a somewhat less impossible task would be to create events that demand jobs other than the flavor of the month/year. WoE sorta did this where any of the pet jobs make it much easier. this is true to a lesser extent with reives (can win easily with pet jobs, but "winning" doesn't necessarily earn you rewards, especially if there isn't anyone else around, forcing you to sic a pet on the main target while you hide in the corner), but often the problem is just player mentality, where no matter how easy it is to beat some event with X job, if you can do it faster with Y or Z job, everyone will go Y or Z and X will get left in the cold even if X makes things easier.

[Dantedmc]

Challenge Accepted. Been in 2 (two) Successful Legion Shells, Pre-Nerf and Post-Nerf. So shall we?

-Do all of your whms have arise?

Not a single one.

-Do you have two DHarp bards?

Nope, Think one had Ghorn, had more COR's though, I think on a run or two we may have picked up a BRD with a Daurd.

-Do you have three apamajas II + stunset schs?

Had 2 SCH's who were there for various reason that had Stun Sets, though I don't see how being able to play your job made this bullet point, as any respectable SCH should have a Stun set, and APDKPAJAMAS isn't required, only helpful.

-Do you have two parties of R/E/M DD?

Kinda, I know we had some 90 EMPs, Think a single 99 Mythic SAM joined us most often, had an Apoc DRK... Not much else.

Not like an 85-90 Empyrean is super hard to obtain, But Yah, Thats the one thing most of them had, though i think there was a DD or two with the WoE weapon.

and a Relic can be solo'd to 95 by even the most casual of casuals, just takes time, investment, work, effort... Those things.

-Do you have an ochain PLD?

Another Yes, We had one holding the mobs. But you could shout and find an Ochain PLD in probably 5 minutes or less, they're insanely common cause Ochain, while harder than some Empy's, are still lulz easy... If you're not lazy (like i am), You could probably get one in 2-3 Weeks if you've got liberal playtime and motivation, 2-3 Months if you're sooper-dooper lazy.

Having all these at the same time can be quite the challenge, when previously the game pretty much required a party or less, and if it required 18 (i.e VW) the gear didn't have top notch on practically every party member with a high amount of party coordination.

This is all pre embrava nerf, I'm not sure how the event has changed afterwards.

I will however break to say, I agree that this event is a little absurd, while not as hard as people constantly describe it (hint: most of the time its not your gear, its the level of idiots you play with... Sorry), Its still a bit of crazy for the path the game was going in at the time.

HOWEVER< i think the biggest reason Legion was a failure was that most of the rewards were just rediculous sidegrades, and even a bigger handful of them were just pure sh*t, half the drops looked like they could easily have come from Tier 1 Abyssea NMs or Walk of Echoes... the other half was so situational it was mediocre. The rewards just flat sucked except for maybe 1-2 pieces for SMN.

Again, You don't need all of the above, and difficulty is directly proportional to the intelligence of the group, while there is a gear check (Hint: DESIGN ASPECT OF MMOS), its not as severe if your players know what they're doing. stun sets, etc etc etc.

I'm curious as to your definition of successful, since your set-up sounds unorthodox. Were you only barely clearing wave #3 or were you going farther? Were you often winning mul and with how many kills?

I ask because I'm not sure how you even had a stun rotation with only two schs. Speaking specifically about sch I know I had to make an additional macc set separate from my haste and fast cast set even WITH apamajas II due to how resistant some of them are (i.e mantis). And no stunning really wasn't a common occurrence on sch before Prov / Legion. I had a set beforehand, but it was not nearly as intricate as it is now. So it's not too difficult to imagine that some schs wouldn't have that sort of gear.

And hint: no the group I played were not idiots

[Karbuncle]

I'm curious as to your definition of successful, since your set-up sounds unorthodox. Were you only barely clearing wave #3 or were you going farther? Were you often winning mul and with how many kills?

I ask because I'm not sure how you even had a stun rotation with only two schs. Speaking specifically about sch I know I had to make an additional macc set separate from my haste and fast cast set even WITH apamajas II due to how resistant some of them are (i.e mantis). And no stunning really wasn't a common occurrence on sch before Prov / Legion. I had a set beforehand, but it was not nearly as intricate as it is now. So it's not too difficult to imagine that some schs wouldn't have that sort of gear.

And hint: no the group I played were not idiots

Successful = Clearing Wave 3+ Consistently. I think in one instance i remember getting to wave 5, I think this was the one with the Harpy/4Swordguy? While I'm sure other groups have done better, for our group, it was more "We have good-to-great geared and skilled players, heres the plan, lets follow through".

Our first few runs were atrocious, but once we got into the swing of things, its when we began clearing more easily. the Second shell had most of the first shell, it was just under new leadership and had new faces.

Legion is really not that hard. It just takes open cooperation and everyone needs to know what they're doing. Mantis i admit was a bit difficult to stun, and at time even with the PAJAMAS II, can resist... Him, we didn't really try to rely heavily on Stun, and more tried to kill it before it killed us (Also utilizing available Weapon Bash to assist on he off chance...), Having our SCH have/build M.acc sets wasn't rough, and APAJAMAS would have been nice, but I don't think either had one. While i can't go into the intricacy of strategy, what you described is what all Legion groups have some trouble with, those particularly cheap mobs that are just plain annoying, and there is no skilling around cheap and bad design :|, which Legion does have a few of.

Now, if you have everything you listed, and still didn't quite clear 3+, I do have to apologize and say it was lack of cooperation or player understanding, not the event. However with a set up like you described, it would definitely make the event more easy-mode.

I think the second shell is still active, though i haven't been with them for a bit because of other matters :|

[Quixote]

No matter how much I try to think about gear progression via events logically, I still cannot get past the fact that we're collecting pants in order to collect slightly better pants later, or in the case of many sets of gear, pants that are somewhat better than these other pants on Tuesday, but not Thursday or Saturday.

Too many pairs of pants if you ask me.

This is one of the reason I feel the game serve no purpose at the moment and might as well not participate on anything new till the end game is defined. At this point I am just probably looking for a good story line gladder than gear to be honest. So we most proceed in this order ? Empy +2 > VW armor > Meeble > neo Salvage, > neo Nysul > ?????

[SNK]

This is the same exact racism that should be eradicated from this game.

lol wut? How is having crappy gear/being lazy denoting racism?

[SNK]

Fulad's not a TP piece, it's a WS piece. I know it's best in slot for PLD CdC.

I was pretty sure Kariyah Hauberk kinda won over Fulad's or I could be wrong I dunno.

[detlef]

Successful = Clearing Wave 3+ Consistently. I think in one instance i remember getting to wave 5, I think this was the one with the Harpy/4Swordguy? While I'm sure other groups have done better, for our group, it was more "We have good-to-great geared and skilled players, heres the plan, lets follow through".

So you had no Arises for the worst cast scenario, only 2 stunners who didn't have macc staff (and have to rely on wild card to keep embrava up full time), and level 90 empy geared melee? Well color me impressed, cause my group probably couldn't do what your group did.

[Karbuncle]

it was a LS i was in, not mine. cant take credit for their victories... just had good people and good leaders.

that and like any group we did not have a perfect record

[Dantedmc]

Now, if you have everything you listed, and still didn't quite clear 3+, I do have to apologize and say it was lack of cooperation or player understanding, not the event. However with a set up like you described, it would definitely make the event more easy-mode.

Yes we won with consistency, this is why I'm listing the sort of equipment I've observed.

So you had no Arises for the worst cast scenario, only 2 stunners who didn't have macc staff (and have to rely on wild card to keep embrava up full time), and level 90 empy geared melee? Well color me impressed, cause my group probably couldn't do what your group did.

That's why I'm skeptical. I mean that could probably work in one of the lesser halls, but I doubt Mul was cleared consistently with the listed set-up when mobs like Gallu are factored in.