New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Karbuncle]

Ninza RareEx
[Main] All Races
DPS: 845 DMG:+38 Delay:+51
LV 99 MNK PUP

Ｄ+30 Counterー+5
Ｄ+23 STR+5

http://ffxi.wikiwiki.jp/?%A5%A2%A5%C...BC%A5%AF%A5%B9

These Augments have variables too, Its not remotely far fetched to think they might have more possibilities in augments and DMG+ potential too. But as it stands

D:68 Delay:38 Counter+5 is no slouch to Tzljalpotpotlbalx, Its 6 DMG/8DEX vs 58 Delay. On a MNK, that 58 Delay looks better than you think, and the Counter+5 adds a small small amount to your DPS from Counters if you're tanking, Plus, As i said There isn't a lot of information on H2H Augments, these could be low end.

[Taint2]

Ninza RareEx
[Main] All Races
DPS: 845 DMG:+38 Delay:+51
LV 99 MNK PUP

Ｄ+30 Counterー+5
Ｄ+23 STR+5

http://ffxi.wikiwiki.jp/?%A5%A2%A5%C...BC%A5%AF%A5%B9

These Augments have variables too, Its not remotely far fetched to think they might have more possibilities in augments and DMG+ potential too. But as it stands

D:68 Delay:38 Counter+5 is no slouch to Tzljalpotpotlbalx, Its 6 DMG/8DEX vs 58 Delay. On a MNK, that 58 Delay looks better than you think, and the Counter+5 adds a small small amount to your DPS from Counters if you're tanking, Plus, As i said There isn't a lot of information on H2H Augments, these could be low end.

Yeah those +2 augs are crazy....carry on.

[Demon6324236]

But I still don't think that people who made a 99 Ragnarok should be left with an ultimately wasted 200M investment.

The investment is only wasted if they never got a use out of it, if they had some use out of it I would say they got exactly what they paid for, a super strong weapon which they had to use for a while, in fact it was the best of its class. What I am seeing here I would compare to Hagun SAMs, they got some amazingly epic use out of it for a long time, but then it fell out of place when the cap rose, and their investment went down. The difference is that Relics can not be sold, but then again, Hagun could not be enhanced, there is hope these weapons will rise to be amazing once again, but for now they are the second best, that is far from useless, or a wasted investment. Now if they nerfed Resolution so bad that GS was weaker than Scythe, then yes, I would say they got screwed and should have made an Apoc instead, but seeing as that is not currently the case... people are simply going to the extreme when saying this weapon is a 'wasted investment'.

[Karbuncle]

Technically what they paid for when they made the 99 Versions was a super strong weapon that would last them most if not all the games life time, as the weapons were advertised.

But thats just a technicality.

[Zagen]

Technically what they paid for when they made the 99 Versions was a super strong weapon that would last them most if not all the games life time, as the weapons were advertised.

But thats just a technicality.

Technically speaking where was that ever stated?

[Helel]

I don't see how you can seriously compare hagun to relic, but whatever. The point is, relics are being outmatched by weapons which take 40 minutes to obtain. And no, you don't have to farm the pieces, because you can just tag along with someone else, and grab your weapon from your personal chest/loot pool. That is absolutely ridiculous. I'm mainly a RNG, so I really don't care about most of these weapons to begin with. We already got a significant increase in DPS with the lovely damascus bullet. Nevertheless, I don't know what went through SE's head when they decided to improve weapons rather than gear.

[Karbuncle]

Technically speaking where was that ever stated?

With just about every single posts regarding R/M/E since this forum started, and several posts can be found during the level cap increase specifically stating they would "Remain the best".

If you go hit the Dev Tracker button and search posts back to the level 80 Cap and 85 cap when Emp's were introduced, You'll find it there. I've seen and read them before, But i don't have exact dates so... Digging them up would be more effort than i willing to put into this though...

Also you used Technically speaking in the wrong manner, so the sarcastic inquiry doesn't even really make sense...

Plus i can see why you don't care, you have what are probably a handful of the few RME's that aren't really replaced.

Apoc for its HP Drain WS
Wildfire Gun for Wildfire
Almace is the only thing of yours even slightly at risk of being replaced...

[Zagen]

Plus i can see why you don't care, you have what are probably a handful of the few RME's that aren't really replaced.

Apoc for its HP Drain WS
Wildfire Gun for Wildfire
Almace is the only thing of yours even slightly at risk of being replaced...

I don't care because I play this game to kill time. I'd like to spend that time I'm wasting on new stuff not the same old stuff that's 4-10 years old.

Of my current R/E/M Apoc is probably my favorite and if they found that the new scythe got HP drain WS effect, haste +10%, and ODD I wouldn't bitch about it. I'd use my Apocalypse to work on getting that new scythe. I'd then bother to remake a mannequin on this account and put up Apoc and not look back. When I'd visit my Moogle I'd see the Apoc and be reminded to the good times I had making it and using it, I may even be so inclined to take it out for a spin despite not being the best anymore.

If it wasn't for the nests being so blu friendly my almace wouldn't even see the light of day, and even then I've considered replacing that with the sword you can buy with Bayld just for the looks...

Edit: even though Verethragna are completely destroyed by the new H2Hs I'm still working on them for the personal accomplishment attached to them.

[Sparthos]

R/M/Es have never been the "best" in any absolute sense as far back as when they were first released. We've gone through cycles of boom and bust with these weapons and even the Bandwagnarok only recently came into favor after Resolution became a thing. Some weapons have remained constant, some are utility tools, some are support weapons, some are just neat looking and some are just plain fucking bad.

So when I hear that SE made promises to keep these weapons superior its silly to cite that when so many R/M/Es aren't even 2nd string weapons. It's the game we've played with these "ultimate" weapons and one we'll continue to play.

[Asymptotic]

The investment is only wasted if they never got a use out of it, if they had some use out of it I would say they got exactly what they paid for, a super strong weapon which they had to use for a while, in fact it was the best of its class. What I am seeing here I would compare to Hagun SAMs, they got some amazingly epic use out of it for a long time, but then it fell out of place when the cap rose, and their investment went down. The difference is that Relics can not be sold, but then again, Hagun could not be enhanced, there is hope these weapons will rise to be amazing once again, but for now they are the second best, that is far from useless, or a wasted investment. Now if they nerfed Resolution so bad that GS was weaker than Scythe, then yes, I would say they got screwed and should have made an Apoc instead, but seeing as that is not currently the case... people are simply going to the extreme when saying this weapon is a 'wasted investment'.

If people thought their 200-500m weapon were going to be outdated a few updates down the road, very few people would bother. People are loss averse and will universally consider the devaluing of a significant investment a loss. Is the expectation of security for high-level investments really this difficult of a concept to understand?

Hagun does not compare at all. Hagun was always orders of magnitude below the investment level of a relic or mythic.