New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Yinnyth]

I'm going to sound very rude here, and I apologize for that. It is hard for me to change who I am, or my style of writing.

And to the people who say "hey just wait, they'll fix all this" all I have to say is FFXIV forums are literally full of people who left when upset with Abyssea and never will come back, I tried to tell them it was different now, and they said "no way am I ever going back" so the damage is already being/been done.

The damage is done, and yet you're still here. If I'm not mistaken, didn't you claim previously that you cancelled your subscription?

No I cancelled my sub today, so I won't be doing any battles. The GS is from 30 min battle and it's 179 to 143.
It really doesn't matter how hard he is or isn't.

He's killable great Tlalpoloani will start showing up everywhere
The droprate is so low nobody bothers
He's impossible like AV, great new pointless content.

Either way I don't regret my decission.

So why does your opinion matter to a project you no longer support? You're like a shareholder who no longer holds a share. Sure, you used to pay SE, but if what you said is true, you've cut all ties. And yet you linger. What do you hope to accomplish here?

[Jaall]

I'm going to sound very rude here, and I apologize for that. It is hard for me to change who I am, or my style of writing.



The damage is done, and yet you're still here. If I'm not mistaken, didn't you claim previously that you cancelled your subscription?

So why does your opinion matter to a project you no longer support? You're like a shareholder who no longer holds a share. Sure, you used to pay SE, but if what you said is true, you've cut all ties. And yet you linger. What do you hope to accomplish here?

Um... I cancelled my subscription 2 weeks ago but that doesn't mean I "have" to cut out FFXI from my life entirely. This game has been a big part of my life for 10 years so naturally I do wonder how the game is and the direction it's going. Just because you don't play doesn't mean you're not entitled to an opinion especially when nothings changed since quitting, and who's to say he won't come back if SE fixes all the problems? While I agree with some things crusader says, some I highly disagree with but that doesn't change the fact that saying someone is no longer entitled to an opinion just because their subscription is on hold is just stupid. Why should we pay for a game we don't currently enjoy? We all have a choice and I think personally some people need to wake up and realise that if you don't like it, you're not forced to play it day in day out and you're not forced to pay for the new expansions let alone the subscription fee itself.

Edit - Also the fact you compare playing XI to holding a share in a company very much describes the direction of the game and how actually unhealthy it is. The main difference being that we get very little out of "buying our shares" and have no chance of ever getting our money back. You'd rarely find a shareholder buying shares in a company just to have their say in how it's run and say they own shares in said company.

[Yinnyth]

Why should we pay for a game we don't currently enjoy? We all have a choice and I think personally some people need to wake up and realise that if you don't like it, you're not forced to play it day in day out and you're not forced to pay for the new expansions let alone the subscription fee itself.

I completely agree with that. But I still enjoy the game.

If you no longer choose to support FFXI, cool, that's your choice, and I support your right to have that choice. When a dead person tries to tell the living how to live, that's when I have a problem.

Edit: I should mention that I'm not trying to say you're not entitled to an opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's not a matter of whether or not you're allowed to have opinions. It's a matter of the weight your opinion carries. I currently pay SE, and I intend to continue doing so into the unforseen future. Should your opinion shape the game as much as mine if you do not pay SE and have no plans to pay SE?

[Jaall]

That's a completely different matter because we are still living and we all have a choice to come back, and most probably will -if- SE fix the game in the correct way. Most people will stay on here to look for such a time to come back, and they are all entitled to an opinion until such changes are made. Saying someone isn't entitled to an opinion is just very very wrong as everyone is, if you choose to listen to their opinion is your choice. And besides we're not telling you how to play the game, we're saying that the people who complain can always just quit. We're simply stating the obvious if you like but clearly it's not so obvious to most FFXI players, or they are all complaining over nothing which is most likely the case. I don't understand why people would complain so strongly about a game being so broken yet still pay money to be unhappy, but I guess I'll never understand the mind set of the few people like that.

And in reply to your edit, yes everyones opinions should have equal weight because we are potential customers and have the potential to pay them, and given that we have a right. Also considering I've been playing for 10 years+ I've paid a considerable amount of money to play this game therefore I have just as much right as anyone else to have a say whether I'm still paying them or not. And anyway, this is SE, there is very little chance your say will actually have an effect so quit being butthurt that people have a different opinion to yours.

[SinisterJoint]

Actually the reason this MMO doesn't see a lot of new players is because the over-saturated MMO Market, Its over 10 years old, and It doesn't advertise.

It has nothing to do with Relic weapons. .

Honestly, I can't see why people can't be happy/okay with the other 11 out of 12 Equipable item slots being upgradeable at any given expansion, and having just 1 item, out of all of your equipment, be the best it can be, and have that sense of permanency.

The only legitimate and reasonable excuse for wanting RME weapons "Closed in on" is the fact endgame content has become pretty much "RME Only" and thats making them more required than an upgrade for the dedicated. Which I think only 1-2 of you have mentioned.

Rest of the rationale from a few of you just... You make it sound like RME Picked on you in highschool and now you're going to the reunion and find out they're a methhead. IDK how better to explain it other than "once i was butthurt and now im happy cause the thing that made me butthurt is no longer as powerful as i remember it!"

Some, not all of you. Most of you have some pretty logical arguments i can actually understand to the end.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I never said relic weapons were the reason, I said the mentality that something needs to be the best forever. It doesn't, and idk what end game you're talking about because many people who don't have them are doing end game just fine.

The rationale from a few of you is "na na nah boo boo I have a relic and youuuuu donnnnt" I don't know how better to explain it than "once I was happy but now i'm butthurt because my relic is getting outdated"

[Karbuncle]

Reading comprehension is your friend. I never said relic weapons were the reason, I said the mentality that something needs to be the best forever. It doesn't, and idk what end game you're talking about because many people who don't have them are doing end game just fine.

I didn't say it was impossible. Also, It has nothing to do with Reading Comprehension, Your sentence structure is poor, and unclear, in regards to that sentence, its completely up to speculation rather you meant the "Mentality" of, quote, "10 year old weapons" staying powerful, or the "Mentality" we think they should.

It can be interpreted both ways, and in fact, leans more toward the RME being best, rather than the opinion of those who think it is, since those people weren't even mentioned in your entire post, simply that you believe RME Should not remain best.

Now, On to the really hard to understand part. I said, Endgame has become "RME Only" as far as shout groups go, Tell me when you see a NNI Shout that asks for a non RME DD, or a Botulus Rex/Ig-Alima/Provenance who wants your Laceratrice or your Bizane-Osafune, or lastly a Legion Shout who wants your Fire Magian H2h or Brawny Ardagas.

i understand you misinterpreted my RME Only quote, as I didn't mention it in that post, only in past posts regarding this subject, that it was in regards to the current endgame being heavily shout based for a lot of people, and it was in regards to that specific area of endgame (Shout pick-ups). So i won't smash you for reading comprehension, as I can understand it could easily be misinterpreted both ways.

Back to weapons, The only exception to these rules could be Murasamemaru for SAM, and a few other select weapons for other jobs, but for the most part, If you don't have a RME, in the fights i named, You won't be invited to DD if you're going with a shout group.

Not that its >impossible<, but that its unlikely a shout group is going to recruit you if they don't think you're the "Best". (Which is actually quite silly cause 85EMPs take fk all worth of effort and most 85 owners are pants on head retarded most of the time... at least ukonvasara/Vereth owners anyway)

The rationale from a few of you is "na na nah boo boo I have a relic and youuuuu donnnnt" I don't know how better to explain it than "once I was happy but now i'm butthurt because my relic is getting outdated"

No argument here, I get that vibe from quite a few players regarding it. Its not a secret Elitist do actually exist, So if you'd step back and take a moment to realize this, You would see just cause these people exist, doesn't make you any better of a person for your, just as rude, attitude toward this situations, as not all Relic Owners are like this, and they don't deserve the "HA HA TAKE THAT" Attitude you're giving it.

I do kinda like how you didn't deny it though.

[SinisterJoint]

I didn't say it was impossible. Also, It has nothing to do with Reading Comprehension, Your sentence structure is poor, and unclear, in regards to that sentence, its completely up to speculation rather you meant the "Mentality" of, quote, "10 year old weapons" staying powerful, or the "Mentality" we think they should.

It can be interpreted both ways, and in fact, leans more toward the RME being best, rather than the opinion of those who think it is, since those people weren't even mentioned in your entire post, simply that you believe RME Should not remain best.

Now, On to the really hard to understand part. I said, Endgame has become "RME Only" as far as shout groups go, Tell me when you see a NNI Shout that asks for a non RME DD, or a Botulus Rex/Ig-Alima/Provenance who wants your Laceratrice or your Bizane-Osafune, or lastly a Legion Shout who wants your Fire Magian H2h or Brawny Ardagas.

i understand you misinterpreted my RME Only quote, as I didn't mention it in that post, only in past posts regarding this subject, that it was in regards to the current endgame being heavily shout based for a lot of people, and it was in regards to that specific area of endgame (Shout pick-ups). So i won't smash you for reading comprehension, as I can understand it could easily be misinterpreted both ways.

Back to weapons, The only exception to these rules could be Murasamemaru for SAM, and a few other select weapons for other jobs, but for the most part, If you don't have a RME, in the fights i named, You won't be invited to DD if you're going with a shout group.

Not that its >impossible<, but that its unlikely a shout group is going to recruit you if they don't think you're the "Best". (Which is actually quite silly cause 85EMPs take fk all worth of effort and most 85 owners are pants on head retarded most of the time... at least ukonvasara/Vereth owners anyway)



No argument here, I get that vibe from quite a few players regarding it. Its not a secret Elitist do actually exist, So if you'd step back and take a moment to realize this, You would see just cause these people exist, doesn't make you any better of a person for your, just as rude, attitude toward this situations, as not all Relic Owners are like this, and they don't deserve the "HA HA TAKE THAT" Attitude you're giving it.

I do kinda like how you didn't deny it though.

Its not a ha ha take that attitude, its a who cares let it go attitude lol. I think a clean slate as far as this goes would be good and refreshing to not only players of old and new, but also the market (AH)

Its the elitist attitude that keep the servers stagnant because nobody is welcoming to new people. Lets face it, that is how a majority of this game is and always has been.

[Karbuncle]

I do think the Playing field should be balanced so new players dont feel they "have" to get MRE to be able to play a job. But i just don't feel they should be 100% Trumped. Like others have said, Having MREs be bested in some situations (Think, Twilight Scythe/Murasamemaru), Is a great idea, having them 100% Trumped is a bad idea.

Think of weapons like Ukonvasara and Kenkonken, Which will remain good for the WS and the Boosts to them.. Or Bravura for its PDT, Excal for the Additional Effect/Regen on WS, Apoc for obvious reasons, All kinds of MRE have good uses, but not all of them, and some are just made for pure DMG, so releasing something with better "pure dmg" sorely weakens their worth.

They should re-evaluate Aftermath on a lot of WS, and add a use to them that goes above and beyond just pure dmg... Add utility to them, so they aren't just nothing but pure DMG and are, essentially, tossed aside for new hotness.

Apoc is a strong weapon, and adds a lot of survivability to DRK, but its not required for the job, Which makes it a great Relic, It adds to the job without it being required. They should take this mindset with most RME

[Horadrim]

I do think the Playing field should be balanced so new players dont feel they "have" to get MRE to be able to play a job. But i just don't feel they should be 100% Trumped. Like others have said, Having MREs be bested in some situations (Think, Twilight Scythe/Murasamemaru), Is a great idea, having them 100% Trumped is a bad idea.

Think of weapons like Ukonvasara and Kenkonken, Which will remain good for the WS and the Boosts to them.. Or Bravura for its PDT, Excal for the Additional Effect/Regen on WS, Apoc for obvious reasons, All kinds of MRE have good uses, but not all of them, and some are just made for pure DMG, so releasing something with better "pure dmg" sorely weakens their worth.

They should re-evaluate Aftermath on a lot of WS, and add a use to them that goes above and beyond just pure dmg... Add utility to them, so they aren't just nothing but pure DMG and are, essentially, tossed aside for new hotness.

Apoc is a strong weapon, and adds a lot of survivability to DRK, but its not required for the job, Which makes it a great Relic, It adds to the job without it being required. They should take this mindset with most RME

Yeah, I'll say that I'm just thinking of picking up DRG as my fourth job and apparently I -have- to either make Relic or Mythic because Empyrean lance sucks and OAT (while the alternative people have recommended to me) isn't good enough in the eyes of the "Elite" who run end game events.

It's kind of annoying to think about, considering its nigh impossible to get a good Mythic static together and I don't feel like spending 300m.

[Karbuncle]

I'd avoid Gungnir Actually too, Its a pretty sad excuse for a weapon unfortunately. The OAT Weapon is your best bet if you can't get a Mythic.

But yah Try to get the Skirmish weapon , hell, If you got a good job, I'm still missing 1 person for my Skirmish Static... If you want the Lance, No one has that reserved yet... Only thing is you'll have to help us farm Soul pyre every so often when we go. usually not too bad they're a good group of folks.