New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Zagen]

Crying about R/E/M/Pulse

It amazes me at how people cry when SE already said 99 R/E/M were going to get adjusted to remain relevant and best of all it wouldn't be through TotM... Why is no one looking at that GS and other weapons already augmented and thinking "If that's what intro weapons get what will R/E/M get?"

If you thought Pulse weapons weren't going to be further outclassed you're crazy, most of them were already out classed in most situations by a few options respectively and those options were almost always easier to get.

[Manux]

still think relics should still surpass any weapons out there due to the word "relics" They need to adjust the weapons, They have all ready sorted out the Twilight Scythe it was big argument against it I'm sure they can pull something off with the relics.

[Jaall]

Point is these "relic-breakers" are in the game already.... the relic adjustments, where are they? If they implemented these weapons already and knew of any balance at all they would have adjusted already. Don't get your hopes up that SE have adjustments in mind within the next few months.

[detlef]

The best 99 R/M/E should not be outclassed by a direct drop weapon, even if the weapon still has to be augmented to be awesome. That just doesn't make sense.

[Karbuncle]

It amazes me at how people cry when SE already said 99 R/E/M were going to get adjusted to remain relevant

Are all of you really this optimistic in regards to how SE will treat this? Or did you miss the point where they said "Would not go to waste" and not even remotely wording it in a way "Will be the best" or "Will be relevant".

I'm not going to sit back like a bear on a parkbench or a skeleton in a chair waiting for SE to deliver on R/E/M Adjustments. They said they would not be enhancing them through ToM "Or any other methods", but said "Have plants to make sure they do not go to waste".

We might not be getting a buff, They could just allow their Benefits to work in the offhand for 1 handers, as far as 2handers, who knows. Either way, they made it clear they dont plan on enhancing them through any methods... rather this means they'll just buff the DMG on them or something entirely different and far more useless and "Consolation prize" is completely up to speculation.

You're speculating positively, the other people don't trust SE on this one. neither side has any proof their speculation is warranted.

The best 99 R/M/E should not be outclassed by a direct drop weapon, even if the weapon still has to be augmented to be awesome. That just doesn't make sense.

And i have to agree with this. Regardless of how difficult Skirmishes are to enter, I shouldn't be able to outclass 99 Relics simply by entering a ~45 mInute event with 3-6 people.

[Kincard]

neither side has any proof their speculation is warranted.

There's no proof on either side, but the "adjustments will be worthless" side has way better precedent.

just saiyan

I shouldn't be able to outclass 99 Relics simply by entering a ~45 mInute event with 3-6 people.

I think it depends on if they plan on keeping the simulacrum this rare. If they stay this rare people are going to charge like 10M per piece and you only get 2/14 of the weapons to drop per run- would end up costing you quite a bit in theory. At best they should be probably a bit below relics.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Zagen,
If your going to quote me then quote me, don't be a bitch and put fake shit in quotes with my name. You wouldn't want me to put something up with your name and quotes and you didn't say it.



And about pulse weapons, they need buffs as well as the WOE weapons. Pulse technology is one of the most important aspects of VW, because of pulse weapons we can spam tier three zilarts and get hmp for gil, also. If pulse weapons are worthless, vw will become worthless that much faster. It's about using their heads when they JUST released VW within the past year...

These new weapons are too easy to get, there is no balance. That is something to to complain about, especially since balance is all you been hearing up until SOA. 1500 hmp, balance, 5 umbral marrows, balance,

170+ damage gs, direct drop, first week of SOA release, 3-6 man pt,balance. . ?

[Luvbunny]

We can argue all we wants, I don't think they will quack on what their plans are for R/M/E. Or you can go back to Abyssea - Voidwatch - Meeble - Neo Stuffs - Legion. Seems like SoA contents are not worth doing, but worth farming items while they are still hot and in high demands. Make sure to voice your critical opinion (and maybe a suggestion or two - assuming they really care what we think....). Then just quietly unsubscribe for a few months, wait till they implement a good updates or two, then play for a couple of months and take more breaks. Save yourself the agony, and save your money. You can easily save $15-80 a month depending on how many accounts you have.

[Zagen]

Zagen,
If your going to quote me then quote me, don't be a bitch and put fake shit in quotes with my name. You wouldn't want me to put something up with your name and quotes and you didn't say it.

Sorry I summarized your post... Feel better now?

And about pulse weapons, they need buffs as well as the WOE weapons. Pulse technology is one of the most important aspects of VW, because of pulse weapons we can spam tier three zilarts and get hmp for gil, also. If pulse weapons are worthless, vw will become worthless that much faster. It's about using their heads when they JUST released VW within the past year...

I'm sorry which pulse weapon that was released wasn't situational at best the moment it was released?

I never bothered doing VW for the weapons (far too situational for me) it was for the gear and Heavy Metal Plates, Riftcinder/dross. While you could argue the HMP/cinder/dross are "worthless" until the changes for Emps come out much of the gear that was good from VW is still good.

That is something to to complain about, especially since balance is all you been hearing up until SOA. 1500 hmp, balance, 5 umbral marrows, balance,

170+ damage gs, direct drop, first week of SOA release, 3-6 man pt,balance. . ?

When Emp weapons were revealed players cried about Relics becoming crap and needing updates. It took a while but that was fixed.

SE has never been good at making sure everything off the bat was remotely balanced when releasing new items, if this is new to you then I guess you haven't been playing any of the 10 years I have been playing.

I'd much rather have new items that make me think "OMG that's amazing" than shitty side-grades that plagued the 75 days and wait for the updates to R/E/M as I have more to do than stare at my relic and emps and cry in a corner.

[Cair]

I see no reason for not adjusting the available weapons at the same time as making these new weapons available.

Did you not know what the stats were going to be -- picked them blindfolded or something of the sort?