New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Asymptotic]

Ok ... you guys realize the newer weapons are not better then most of the current Mythics / Emps / Relics right? You don't make those weapons for the high base D you make them for their special effects.

Rag
+14% Crit Rate
occasionally does 2.5x damage

Mythic Polearm
Makes jumps crit
AM: attacks 2~3x, can proc on WS

Almace
CDC
AM: ODD

Vara
VS
AM: ODD

Spharai
+14% Counter rate
occasionally does 3.0x damage

Those are the real power behind those weapons and the entire reason their so awesome.

Mandau is still best main hand for THF. You still get MS, occasionally does 3.0x damage and attack +40.

Actually, people made them because they had some of the highest base damage available on weapons of their type *and* had special effects. The new H2H absolutely invalidates Spharai, +14 to counter and the the hidden effect does not even come close to making up for it.

[scaevola]

This change makes me feel bad for pchan.

Let that sink in.

[Asymptotic]

Will be even funnier if MNK has no place in the Achuka fight.

No but, really. Even pchan doesn't have anything to worry about. They've essentially stated they will adjust RME weapons (they didn't directly state it but they imply it very hard when they go out of their way to assure that non-afterglow weapons will still be included and shield/horn etc. are excluded because they are still at the highest caliber).

SE has no interest in making RME99s obsolete as these are great timesinks and they can't introduce new content fast enough to replace these time-sinks.

[MarkovChain]

The only waySE would have been able to send player actually do the expansion was to give them reasons. The gear that got dat mined on the expansion's day mainly sucked or was side grade from abyssea/nyzul/salvage gear. The initial data on the weapon was also not enough because players quickly realised that the weapons were side grade to existing common endgame weapons (R/M/E). Like the H2H used to be 1% worse than spharai. So they decided to patch them so that people would actually move to the content, because let's be honest : GEO and RUN both suck, reive seem useless and for normal player there was no reason to go farm a legendary weapon when they could just farm a relic that is better anyway !

[MarkovChain]

This change makes me feel bad for pchan.

Let that sink in.

Don't be to jealous like half of BG. For me an afterglow is about the same work as getting a relic for the average dynamis soloer, so actually I don't care. I always find it hilarous when losers like you make fun of people with better gear "because they wasted so much money". I mean, it's almost as if the noobs are thinking that this weapon is going to be more accessible than a level 99 relic ?

[Elphy]

All I can say is that if they make these weapons relatively easy to obtain but still make things like riftcinders a major pita to get I can see alot of empys going missing and replaced by the new adoulin ones. No one wants to spam vw for a 5%-ish chance at a riftcinder or buy them for 1m gil each when they need 3060 of them just to make a weapon almost compare to an adoulin base weapon. Same goes for relics and mythics with their umbral marrow and mulcibar's scoria trials. Since we dont even know what kind of asinine quest they are going to give us to upgrade it again. I know I have all empys/relics on hold atm, except harp/horn (since I havent seen any instruments yet).

[Fatestaynight]

Most likely the relics and mythics will be enhanced with the augments from Adoulin, probably when we reach rank 9 or 10.

[Karbuncle]

Don't be to jealous like half of BG. For me an afterglow is about the same work as getting a relic for the average dynamis soloer, so actually I don't care. I always find it hilarous when losers like you make fun of people with better gear "because they wasted so much money". I mean, it's almost as if the noobs are thinking that this weapon is going to be more accessible than a level 99 relic ?

Pretty sure he wasn't belittling your achievement, and more actually saying "I kinda feel sorry for Pchan", and the "Let that sink in" part was in regards to the fact he's saying "These weapons are so powerful its actually making me feel bad for pchan or all people".

More of an insult to you and less of an insult to the work you put into the weapon.

[Losie]

Absolutely not. These silly items have held the game back for years and years now. That is not how online games work - you worked forever on relic, you did an awesome, long, grueling quest and got a neat item. Cool. Don't cry when something better and cooler gets put out. The dev team have had to tiptoe around relics for FAR too long, it is high time they stop having to balance everything below relics and be able to actually progress the game.

It's like in any other game - you spend a lot of time to get the greatest and coolest stuff, knowing well that it'll be outdated eventually. Expect it, understand the need for it, because without that there is no upwards growth or, if nothing else, it's stifled horribly because a few people are upset their achievement suddenly means "nothing." What it really means is they did a bunch of work and don't want to do more, they want their one cool item to remain the epitome of best indefinitely.

Unfortunately, that's a sad story. It's high time relics and such had some items that compare - and, besides, as pointed out.. quite a few relics are about anything but just the base damage, what with their remarkable and unique other abilities in many cases. But it's definitely very overdue to stop balancing the game against a handful of items released years ago. Time to move forwards.

[Losie]

Actually, people made them because they had some of the highest base damage available on weapons of their type *and* had special effects. The new H2H absolutely invalidates Spharai, +14 to counter and the the hidden effect does not even come close to making up for it.

Good. The damn relics have lorded over this game and put an arbitrary barrier on making new and exciting items for everyone in the game that doesn't want to relic grind. If you got your relic like some of us have, then awesome, great, cool beans buttered jeans. Now deal with the growth of the game, deal with it becoming outdated, and move on! There's so much "don't take my achievement away," but that's entirely the wrong mindset. When I played EQ you didn't whine because an encounter or flag requirement was made easier, or better gear came out, you got the thrill of being first, of having it, knowing it'd be easier to do in time or be outdated. I don't get why people feel their one item should be the end-all-beat-all *forever.*