New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Taint2]

WTF at this thread. SE already said they will be buffing REM to compensate for the new weapons.

[Camiie]

I suppose I have no right to complain seeing as I only have 2 90 emps and a barely started relic, but it's still a bit frustrating. Rather than hope for brighter things to come, I kinda just have remorse. I wouldn't have as much if they were just item drops and didn't require the largely selfless efforts of my friends over a long period of time to make.

I know, I know many of you are laughing that someone might equate a 90 emp with time and effort, but it felt like a serious undertaking to me. If I'd known they were going to be phased out this way I seriously doubt I would ever have bothered. Not that the devs care. They're just glad to get their $14 a month, and they're obviously under no obligation to keep any item relevant into perpetuity. Still, as I said it's not a great feeling. It's not the end of the world, but it's not happy fun time either.

Is there a point to this post other than me venting? Eh, I'll just file it under feedback from a player who's not at the top of the gear food chain. A middle-of-the-road player's perspective. That's gotta count for something to an especially bored community rep or dev right? Maybe?

[Demon6324236]

WTF at this thread. SE already said they will be buffing REM to compensate for the new weapons.

SE's buffs are often questionable, right now MNKs are looking at a weapon which has about 1.5 times the damage of their 99 Relic, their old best weapon, and has DEX on it even to go with the WS of choice with it equipped. If your weapon was recently outdone, its safe to say that this is a cause for concern, and until we know exactly what is being done with Emp/Relic weapons I think its a good idea to be on edge about it.

[Oakrest]

WTF at this thread. SE already said they will be buffing REM to compensate for the new weapons.

Where? I suspect you're right - I mean, they did that with 75 Relic/Mythic when ToM and Empy were announced - but it would be reassuring to know.

Whatever they release should be a slightly weaker sidegrade at best (after they let us augment 99 Relics, for example). There's no way I'm going to enjoy playing this game if my Relics are outright replaced, I expect I should be able to keep upgrading them after the countless hours of hard work put in already - there's no other item to compare [R/M/E] to. For example, AF3+2 getting replaced by Phorcy's gear pales in comparison and is less hurtful when it comes in new content (again, just an example). Or for example, I spent many camps trying to a Joyeuse back in the day, and on the occasion I did, I camped for roughly 7 hours waiting for it to pop. An accomplishment, but I still don't mind that newer swords replaced that. There's a huge difference between most everything in this game, and the work required for an R/M/E.

[Karbuncle]

Their wording was something like

"We have plans to make sure your relics/etc you've taken to 99 wont go to waste".

They said nothing about buffing them, for all we know owning the 99 R/M/E could just mean they'll give you a quest to unlock their weaponskill or allow you to use them in your offhand. (though the WS thing makes little sense for Mythic). Either way, They said nothing of buffs, simply those weapons "Wouldn't go to waste", which sounds more like an afterthought or "They won't be completely useless, we promise!".

They also specifically said they would not improve them through trial of magians or any other means, which means their only options are a flat out buff too 99 R/M/E or... Prepare to use them in a quest to unlock their Ws's broseph.

[Demon6324236]

Prepare to use them in a quest to unlock their Ws's broseph.

I would be somewhat happier with this, I mean CDC with Excalibur for RDM would actually be badass, same with a few other weapons using their WSs, like new H2H using VS.

[Karbuncle]

I can't say I wouldn't be okay with it... Cause I'd be able to unlock Mercy whenever the FK i wanted to use it, But It would be a sad resting place for a 99 Empyrean or Relic lol, and a poor replacement

Still look forward to seeing what they have planned, but the wording they used... Let just say I won't be holding my breath lol

[Cowardlybabooon]

I know I plan to finish my 99 upgrade. Apoc will always be useful in some way, but also I have confidence that SE will eventually make appropriate adjustments even if it takes a year.

[Dantedmc]

WTF at this thread. SE already said they will be buffing REM to compensate for the new weapons.

something something cait sith...

[Demon6324236]

I can't say I wouldn't be okay with it... Cause I'd be able to unlock Mercy whenever the FK i wanted to use it, But It would be a sad resting place for a 99 Empyrean or Relic lol, and a poor replacement

Ill admit I'm only ok with that kind of idea because my only Emps or Relics are for my RDM, my Excalibur and my Almace, and when I get off my lazy ass to do it, Mandau. None of these 3 have been outdone for RDM by this update, so all of my weapons are still of use, I would just get a better WS for Excalibur out of it is all, for other jobs I admit I can see why they would be upset, other than perhaps MNKs just because their DPS would fly.