Things I Think SE Should Have Done By Now...

[Rustic]

So to be clear here...

Is not playing the game, but killing crabs and worms is? Maybe you're just confused?

Both are playing the game. But I'd say the guy who went through multiple areas instead of taking the Abyssea route of maximum overdrive got to play in more of it when it was relevant than the ones who didn't.

Yeah. Leveling to 75 without leeching takes a long time. Before leeching came around, the average Joe spent double that getting to 75. Obviously some superhero types played 24/7 and did it quicker, but those aren't the people you are complaining about are they?

I call BS on that. I did 1-50 in under a month of casual (read, messing around on the weekends and leveling DNC, BLM, WHM, RDM into the high 20's, plus everything through nation rank 4) play. Page exp is more than enough and actually means you can do things without leeching and still advance at a decent pace. I don't want to go back to lolcolibris and "must have perfect party" either, but that's what GoV/FoV allows- you don't have to have a perfect party to kill tons of EP targets. Just tons of EP targets.

No, but it seemed like something you might get off on, so I said it with no small amount of sarcasm... Is that a hook in your mouth? or were you being sarcastic too when you made the below statement? Because it sounds a lot like someone who loves being better than everyone else.

Generally, when I go "HEE-LARIOUS", I'm giving you the lovely sarcasm you seem to crave. Would you like another?

HEEE-HEEE-HEEEEEEEEELARIOUS.

Linkshells events were the idiot filter. Not exp. When an idiot came to LS events, it didn't take him long to get booted for stupidity and / or helped out by the LS with his game skills (if you were in a good LS anyways).

Now that most events can be done with pick up groups, you have to test your luck and hope you don't get an idiot.

The idiots always had level capped jobs. Hell, some of the biggest idiots I have met had Maat's caps. They just weren't in most of your events before. They were in their own little Linkshells keeping to themselves and their feeble minded brethren.

LS's were another idiot filter. They definitely weren't the first ones. And yep, thanks to -all- the filters basically being removed, you're looking at more mouthbreathers than ever. I want to put more filters back into the system. I want exp to not be a meaningless stat prior to 99. I want more events and gear that require skill vs. zerg tactics, which said mouthbreathers can achieve.

As if "endless cycles of farming HNMs" are any less gratifying than endless cylces of farming crabs and worms...

You mean what the average party is doing humping away in Aby-La Theine? ^ ^

[Demon6324236]

And yep, thanks to -all- the filters basically being removed.

Today you can still filter idiots on your own with simply your eyes. Look at someones gear, if they suck, they probably have terrible sets and do not understand the stats let alone how to put them together into a set. Unless they removed your eyes, your ability to read, you are just being to lazy to look for yourself to see if people suck or not it seems.

[FrankReynolds]

Both are playing the game. But I'd say the guy who went through multiple areas instead of taking the Abyssea route of maximum overdrive got to play in more of it when it was relevant than the ones who didn't.

I think that a person who is trying to build gear sets probably goes through far more zones and sees far more of them than a guy who is just exp. grinding, but sure lets just ignore everything that happens after level 99 and pretend that people stay in abyssea for three months after they ding.

I call BS on that. I did 1-50 in under a month of casual (read, messing around on the weekends and leveling DNC, BLM, WHM, RDM into the high 20's, plus everything through nation rank 4) play. Page exp is more than enough and actually means you can do things without leeching and still advance at a decent pace. I don't want to go back to lolcolibris and "must have perfect party" either, but that's what GoV/FoV allows- you don't have to have a perfect party to kill tons of EP targets. Just tons of EP targets.

Ummm... If you make abyssea 75+, people will just leech in FoV etc. so your solution is not a solution at all. In fact it would probably allow the RMT to make twice as much gil for PL since GoV is the same principle only slower. They would probably raise the hourly rate and take 2-3 times as long to do it so instead of charging 16 people 1.5 mil to leech to 99, they would charge them like 5 mil.

Your honestly saying that looking for a white mage to join your group for hours on end is less of a hassle than having a hundred white mages to choose from and not knowing which one is the best? Think about that....

Generally, when I go "HEE-LARIOUS", I'm giving you the lovely sarcasm you seem to crave. Would you like another?

HEEE-HEEE-HEEEEEEEEELARIOUS.

You're obviously not getting it, but that's fine.

LS's were another idiot filter. They definitely weren't the first ones. And yep, thanks to -all- the filters basically being removed, you're looking at more mouthbreathers than ever. I want to put more filters back into the system. I want exp to not be a meaningless stat prior to 99. I want more events and gear that require skill vs. zerg tactics, which said mouthbreathers can achieve.

Not being willing to spend months to level a job you don't like just so your LS can benefit from having another bard or blm or whatever is quite the opposite of an idiot filter.

If I see a guy who is unwilling to level samurai for 6 months because he doesn't like it at all, I just call that normal behavior. The guy who actually dumped a year of his time into leveling bard so that he could get into events that dropped gear for his pup was either crazy or stupid or both.

Leveling a job that you don't care about and gearing it just enough to complete the task at hand should be fast and easy. Making that job amazing should be the hard part and your never gonna do that in an exp. party. You never met a single guy in your life that walked into sky/sea/limbus/hnm and was like "I don't need any instructions guys. I leveled this bitch on crabs.". I guarantee you that almost every guy who ever played end game long enough to be considered good at it didn't have a single issue leveling his next job.

People who have mastered end game events almost always know how to play whatever job they are leveling very well in exp. parties. People who are super good at getting exp. still have absolutely no idea what end game is about.

Standing around doing nothing for hours when you really want to do something fun because you can't find people with the required jobs is far dumber (yeah I said dumber) than standing around doing nothing when you don't want to do anything anyways (aka leeching).

You mean what the average party is doing humping away in Aby-La Theine? ^ ^

Umm no. WHat I mean is that killing all the nms and running around all the zones required to build an empy or a relic or w/e gear set you have your eyes on is probably far less grindy (and it's still a stupid grind) than sitting in one spot waiting for someone to drag crabs over to you so you can whack them for weeks on end.

I mean, I killed more different kinds of monsters in more different zones just building my AF +2 set for a job than I did in the entire grind to 75.

Face it. There is far more diversity in end game. Mid levels consist of: stand around for hours looking for people > walk to some far out place > stand in the exact same spot for 9 hours > repeat.

Killing Glavoid 30 times may be enough to cause seizures for some people, but it's still more fun than walking for an hour to get to crabs in mt. zyhaom so that I can stand there and mash the same three macros for the next 27 hours straight.

ITT; "I hate how all these people have varying degrees of skill. I wish there was only like 4 people who could do this event with me so that I could stand around and hope they logged in and wanted to do what I want to do."

[SpankWustler]

To get the topic back on track:

It's 2:48 PM in Japan right now, so they should be done with their lunch break by now. Seriously.

[FrankReynolds]

To get the topic back on track:

It's 2:48 PM in Japan right now, so they should be done with their lunch break by now. Seriously.

I Know Right? Put down napkin and get me my flying chocobo now. :P