Free to play plans?

[Bizniztyme]

Nothing goes better with goblins than beer. :3

Definitely a great choice

[Arcon]

Bizniztyme, learn to quote. I can't even quote you properly, because you write your replies within my quotes.

Oh....so just because you don't like it it's not content....other people can't like it and enjoy it? GTFO... In that case, i'll say it again, don't like it don't pay....move on....

You were the one who shrugged Rezeak's opinion off because he didn't play all the content, as if that's somehow relevant. I just told you why that's bullshit. It had nothing at all to do with me. You essentially told him he's an idiot for not liking the same content as other people.

OK...so your opinion is ffxi cannot compete with other mmos of today? I say they certainly are being up for 10 years and still making a profit....

If I make a browser game that 10 of my friends and family (and possibly pets) play and each pay 1 buck a month, I'm making a profit. Does that mean I can compete with WoW?

Just because you don't think it's value/cost ratio is not good doesnt mean other people don't think so...your opinion is not fact like you always seem to state.

What I stated wasn't my opinion at all. I also stated my opinion in the same post, including why I consider the game good enough to play for three accounts, although you seem to have skipped that part. That comes with selective reading.

I'm no genius, again, i just know that i would rather trust a multi billion dollar business then a forum poster that thinks he knows how to run a business but really he can't even run a bath(your words)

Then don't trust me? Like I am a random forum poster to you, you're a random forum poster to me, I couldn't care less about what you think. I offered proper arguments so those with a brain can work with them and respond. If you'd rather stick your fingers in your ears and say "go away, you don't have a million dollars, you know nothing" then that's fine too.

LOL they got rich because they had fanboys? How do you think they got fanboys in the first place? By having a business plan to make games to garner these fanboys.

No, by making good games. Shitty games don't sell, no matter what the business plan. If you make a good product, people will want it. They will actually try to get it. FFXI hasn't been that product in a long time. Almost all "new" people in the last year were people who came back to see if anything new was on or people taking a forced break from FFXIV.

[fernando]

I have been playing from release,so it's safe to say i,m on the hook...lol.

[Bizniztyme]

Bizniztyme, learn to quote. I can't even quote you properly, because you write your replies within my quotes.

I dont know how to quote. Sue me.

You were the one who shrugged Rezeak's opinion off because he didn't play all the content, as if that's somehow relevant. I just told you why that's bullshit. It had nothing at all to do with me. You essentially told him he's an idiot for not liking the same content as other people.

How is it not relevant, he says the content is not to his taste and he doesn't enjoy it, it doesn't mean it's not content. I'll say it again, don't enjoy it, don't play it.

If I make a browser game that 10 of my friends and family (and possibly pets) play and each pay 1 buck a month, I'm making a profit. Does that mean I can compete with WoW?

Of course you're competing. You may not make as much money as them but you're competing no matter how small of a competitor you are, you're competing.

What I stated wasn't my opinion at all. I also stated my opinion in the same post, including why I consider the game good enough to play for three accounts, although you seem to have skipped that part. That comes with selective reading.

I quote you:

But it's certainly not because the game is objectively good. The entire structure is falling apart at every end, the game is buggy as hell and has been for over a decade, customer interaction is non-existent, content is repetitive and the release schedule is slow. That is not an opinion, that is fact. I enjoy what little there is atm, and I enjoy playing with my linkshell and helping newbies figure out how to play this wreck of a game and I enjoy doing certain related stuff outside of the game.

Entirely your OPINION. Nothing factual about it.

Then don't trust me? Like I am a random forum poster to you, you're a random forum poster to me, I couldn't care less about what you think. I offered proper arguments so those with a brain can work with them and respond. If you'd rather stick your fingers in your ears and say "go away, you don't have a million dollars, you know nothing" then that's fine too.

Are you implying i don't have a brain because I don't agree with your OPINIONS? Nice passive aggressive technique there, and yes, i would rather cover my ears and go shoo with the nonsense that you spit out about paying 75 dollars for a game you feel is not a good game.

No, by making good games. Shitty games don't sell, no matter what the business plan. If you make a good product, people will want it. They will actually try to get it. FFXI hasn't been that product in a long time. Almost all "new" people in the last year were people who came back to see if anything new was on or people taking a forced break from FFXIV.

Just because you don't think they are good games doesn't mean others don't think so. I think GW2 and WOW are shitty games, but they seem to still be selling well.

Are you sure the people who recently came back are just people coming back to see new content or from FFXIV? I see many brand new players that have never even played before. Now, is that a fact again or just your OPINION.

So stop spinning your opinions as fact and you will not hear from me again.

[Waldrich]

no Fee = End of the World (Vanadiel)

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No, the one single reason for that is SE's paranoia about RMT.

It's not paranoia when it actualy happens all day every day.

[Mookies75]

FFXI is old now and honestly the level and quality of the updates we get no longer mean it's worth the subscription fee, the game has also lost a lot of players.

Does Square have any plans to let FFXI go free to play with a cash shop anytime soon?

Go play your wow clones baddie. There is tons to do in this game.

[Mirage]

Entirely your OPINION. Nothing factual about it.

Not really. It's pretty factual that a bug exists. Either the bug is there, or it is not. The only subjective part of this is how significant you consider each of those bugs to be.

[Arcon]

How is it not relevant, he says the content is not to his taste and he doesn't enjoy it, it doesn't mean it's not content. I'll say it again, don't enjoy it, don't play it.

If he doesn't enjoy it, why should he play it? Just because content he doesn't like is there he's not to blame for canceling his account for a while if he feels he won't enjoy playing it.

Of course you're competing. You may not make as much money as them but you're competing no matter how small of a competitor you are, you're competing.

That's not competing, that's losing. It doesn't mean you know how to run a business either because you make a profit. How good of a business man you are is judged by comparing to the competition, not judging by whether or not you make profit at all. If I sell my pen to my neighbor I made a profit, it doesn't mean I know anything about businesses.

Because, like I said, it's not my opinion. To me, it's worth the money, that's why I pay. But it's certainly not because the game is objectively good. The entire structure is falling apart at every end, the game is buggy as hell and has been for over a decade, customer interaction is non-existent, content is repetitive and the release schedule is slow. That is not an opinion, that is fact. I enjoy what little there is atm, and I enjoy playing with my linkshell and helping newbies figure out how to play this wreck of a game and I enjoy doing certain related stuff outside of the game.

Entirely your OPINION. Nothing factual about it.

Everything in there is factual. And unlike you, I can support what I say with evidence: the game has many bugs that have been around for years (effects not working properly like WS effects not scaling with TP, incorrect item descriptions, etc.), it's cumbersome (cannot Alt+Tab out of the game, chat log loss on zoning, senseless inviting restrictions, etc.), content is repetitive (10k currency, 30k Alexandrite, 1500 plates of heavy metal, etc.), customer interactions don't exist (SE denying everything users suggest (with lies, if necessary), holding votes then ignoring them, not replying to important suggestions, etc.) and releases are slow as hell (WotG released over a course of three years bit by bit, a few Voidwatch battles released over the course of one year path by path, announced roadmap releases constantly pushed back, etc.).

All of that is horrible for an MMOG trying to compete in today's market. Are you telling me I imagined all of these? How is any of that my opinion?

Are you implying i don't have a brain because I don't agree with your OPINIONS?

I'm implying you don't have a brain because instead of arguing against my statements and trying to get your point across with evidence and proper arguments all you say is "that's just, like, your opinion man" and then try to belittle my intelligence apparently thinking that will make you sound more believable.

Just because you don't think they are good games doesn't mean others don't think so. I think GW2 and WOW are shitty games, but they seem to still be selling well.

You confuse good games with games you enjoy. BioShock was a good game. I know so because all the signs were there, good dialogue, good graphics, smooth controls, diverse weapons, etc., but I just didn't enjoy it. FFXI on the other hand has many factual problems that make it less than good (the ones I mentioned above, among many others). That doesn't mean there can't be aspects that I enjoy about it, sometimes even enough to make up for its flaws. That is the case for me. That doesn't mean I consider it good. I couldn't recommend it to any of my friends because I feel I'd be wasting their time and I don't wanna do that to them. But I know what I like, and despite its quirks I'm stuck playing it and have no intention of stopping for now.

Are you sure the people who recently came back are just people coming back to see new content or from FFXIV? I see many brand new players that have never even played before. Now, is that a fact again or just your OPINION.

It's a statistical argument, not my opinion. I can't speak for the entire population, but I took in about 30 players in the last two months (most from these forums, you can look them up yourself), which are a majority of the people who asked for help on here. Of those, only one was completely new (and sadly, I haven't seen them around for a few days now). That's a comparably large sample, enough to say with significant certainty that most new subscriptions recently are not actually new players. If you now say you see many brand new players, that leaves me two options: accept your proposition of a very unlikely scenario based on my own observations and add your samples to mine, or not risk contaminating my sample pool with your made up scenario. I'm open to either, because neither invalidates my point, but currently I'm leaning towards the latter based on my opinion of you and your hostile stance towards me and your tendencies to exaggerate and not present evidence for your arguments.

It's not paranoia when it actualy happens all day every day.

Fear can be reasonable. Paranoia makes people act irrational. SE's measures to deal with RMT are irrational and hurting the general population more than the RMT. Fear of RMT is good, paranoia is bad. Fear means acknowledging them as a threat and devising strategies to fight them. Paranoia means imposing a 1M limit on sending money. One is good, the other is senseless.

[Caketime]

Get a hotel room already, gentlemen. But before you go, take this taco with you.