TH activation rumour

[Delvish]

If low delay daggers end up beating TK, no reason to use beestinger when you can use some other 150-delay dagger like Puginculus, Rapidus Sax or Oneiros Knife.

I doubt they would given that the upgrade rate seems to decrease exponentially with the increasing levels, so getting your base TH level as high as possible is far more valuable.

It is true that the other 150 delay daggers would work just as well but as mentioned the DPS would be higher. Most logical scenario is against a single boss monster when it is just yourself and a PLD (and healer) whittling it down slowly while pesky AoE is not an issue.

Also thanks for posting the math up. I think higher base TH would probably win out, but also have to include maths for external support types like magic haste, COR delay reductions, samba, etc. Over time that may change the favor of THF knife to 150d daggers.

[Byrth]

Naw. Further sources of delay reduction either don't change the relationship between the two or favor the higher delay weapon.

[Rustic]

No, they're dumb.

Here are some rumors about TH that are unfortunately more likely to be accurate:
2) The odds of TH proccing are proportional to your current TH level (in gear/traits) and the next TH level. So someone with TH7 in gear will upgrade to TH8 at approximately the same rate that someone with TH4 in gear will upgrade to TH5.
3) The upgrade rate decreases as you get to a higher and higher TH level. So someone with TH4 in gear will have a harder time going from TH5 to TH6 than from TH4 to TH5.

Now, I'd say from playing on a newbie THF that #2 seems right. I've hunted the same area with Treasure Hound (the Kupower) active and not, and going TH1 -> 2 with my L20 THF happens at about the same rate as TH2 -> 3 seems to. That's ancedotal data rather than a parse, so take it as you will, but I think that the odds for going +1, +2, +3... on TH are the same, regardless of your initial TH level. Offhanding TK vs mainhanding it shouldn't be a tough test in any case, and frankly I don't think it matters- you could easily go around two-shotting mobs while dual-wielding and check the results.

[Byrth]

Yeah, pretty much everything I listed was confirmed by now. Here is a page with the information, and there are sources at the bottom:
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Treasure_Hunter

[Trumpy]

From the way start of this thread the bit about "If a thf dies do they have to touch it or do they have to be in exp range."

I would have to really search for it but i beleive when the initial changes were made or they answered somewhere the devs said something bout you could apply TH and then warp home and change jobs and the TH would still be there (assuming you were in a group or whatever to hold the mob). of course you could no longer proc higher TH levels.

[Toadie-Odie]

It also has enmity properties (slower decay iirc?) which assists THF for tanking. CHR also possibly affects intimidation rates for Bully?

Yes, higher CHR slows enmity decay, so not only does it help a THF in the tank role, but also helps a THF build hate to dump on a tank when in a support role. As for Bully, that's a really good question and I wish I knew.

[Arcon]

I would have to really search for it but i beleive when the initial changes were made or they answered somewhere the devs said something bout you could apply TH and then warp home and change jobs and the TH would still be there (assuming you were in a group or whatever to hold the mob). of course you could no longer proc higher TH levels.

Yes, and that's been the same for ages. TH is like a debuff that stays on the mob as long as its hate list isn't empty, so until it deaggros. It's like Abyssean weakness staggers.

Yes, higher CHR slows enmity decay, so not only does it help a THF in the tank role, but also helps a THF build hate to dump on a tank when in a support role. As for Bully, that's a really good question and I wish I knew.

I don't remember anyone ever showing CHR being related to enmity in any way, and unless all the enmity testers so far all happened to have equal CHR when they did their testing it's not related to enmity decay either.

It may be related to Bully, I can't say, although I don't think it's likely.

[Toadie-Odie]

Yes, and that's been the same for ages. TH is like a debuff that stays on the mob as long as its hate list isn't empty, so until it deaggros. It's like Abyssean weakness staggers.



I don't remember anyone ever showing CHR being related to enmity in any way, and unless all the enmity testers so far all happened to have equal CHR when they did their testing it's not related to enmity decay either.

It may be related to Bully, I can't say, although I don't think it's likely.

I may have been misinformed then, and I appologize for giving out incorrect information.

I believe the basis for the arguement about CHR in the LS I was in at the time was in regards to BRD being such a hate magnet. It is the job with the highest CHR rating isn't it? I do know there is a CHR effect on songs similar to that of MND on cures. Theoretically it makes sense to me, and thus I took it as fact. Truthfully however, I haven't seen any numbers to prove or disprove this.

With all of that said it makes me wonder why both PLDs and WHMs have a number of gear pieces that add CHR.

[Kincard]

I'm going to guess Asn. Armlets +2 having CHR is only because the NQ had CHR, and the NQ had CHR because of Dancing Edge.

[Arcon]

I believe the basis for the arguement about CHR in the LS I was in at the time was in regards to BRD being such a hate magnet. It is the job with the highest CHR rating isn't it?

It is, but even with no CHR gear at all a BRD can keep hate with the correct songs, because some songs are simply high-enmity by nature.