TH activation rumour

[Vold]

I lied about not reporting back with failure. TH11 during lightsday and +12 CHR. Didn't really go out of my way to stack the CHR but I don't feel compelled to bother any further with the lightsday/chr theory.

For the record, I did not bother using feint to taint my outcome because I have never killed the turtle post feint changes. With that said, I also for the first time tried out full timing TH gear which pretty much nullifies my reasons for not using feint but eh I was after at least a red pondweed drop for my trouble. That didn't increase my usual TH effectiveness on turtle, either. Maybe I should kill a few more times just to be sure but ya know what... I'm just getting too damn old to care. Take what I've done for what it's worth. Even just one kill with failure is enough for me to move on. I won't lose any sleep if the theory turns out fact. It'd be so little of a boost that it's not worth worrying about.

[Delvish]

The only issue I have with your test voldymoldy is that you simultaniously tested two theories, so we have either a positive on the CHR test or a positive on the TH gear full-time test. Naturally I lean towards the TH gear, but who knows.

[Arcon]

The only issue I have with your test voldymoldy is that you simultaniously tested two theories, so we have either a positive on the CHR test or a positive on the TH gear full-time test. Naturally I lean towards the TH gear, but who knows.

I think his "test" showed that it had no effect (he mentioned getting TH9-11 regularly before), so it's neither the one nor the other. Statistically, though, it says absolutely nothing anyway.

[Delvish]

I think his "test" showed that it had no effect (he mentioned getting TH9-11 regularly before), so it's neither the one nor the other. Statistically, though, it says absolutely nothing anyway.

Yea, I suppose I jumped to conclusions. One test is not enough to accurately judge anything. I think I'll start recording my Dynamis run's TH procs and see where that gets me.

[Babekeke]

I'll be more than happy to put it to the test on some turtle kills. My experience has always been TH9-11 without fail

I lied about not reporting back with failure. TH11 during lightsday and +12 CHR.

I also for the first time tried out full timing TH gear which pretty much nullifies my reasons for not using feint but eh I was after at least a red pondweed drop for my trouble. That didn't increase my usual TH effectiveness on turtle, either.

The only issue I have with your test voldymoldy is that you simultaniously tested two theories, so we have either a positive on the CHR test or a positive on the TH gear full-time test. Naturally I lean towards the TH gear, but who knows.

It proved nothing what-so-ever. He did 1 kill and was at the higher end of his usual TH results.

The only thing that I can say has a definite impact on your end result when killing this mob:

If you kill it while you have 'Treasure Hound' Super Kupower, you will end up with a better TH than if you didn't have it while keeping everything else the same as you usually do, lol.

[Arcon]

If you kill it while you have 'Treasure Hound' Super Kupower, you will end up with a better TH than if you didn't have it while keeping everything else the same as you usually do, lol.

Treasure Hound simply adds 1 TH to whatever you currently have on.

[Babekeke]

Treasure Hound simply adds 1 TH to whatever you currently have on.

Precisely my point.

[Nebo]

Really? in 2012 people still question how TH is applied? I understand the whole "we kinda think we know but we don't really know how TH effects drop rates" but to question at what point TH level has been applied is...wow.

As an aside, a frien of mine and I were talking and he told me that he had problems with applying TH when using steps first. IE his first action was to use a step on he mob in full TH gear, and then switch to DD gear, etc.

He said tha tmore often than not, he would get a lower level of TH than expected most of the time.

Is this because of the situation where two debuffs or en-type effects cannot be applied with the same melee hit/action? IE. Feint overrides samba effects et?

Thoughts?

[Arcon]

He said tha tmore often than not, he would get a lower level of TH than expected most of the time.

Is this because of the situation where two debuffs or en-type effects cannot be applied with the same melee hit/action? IE. Feint overrides samba effects et?

Thoughts?

It's possible. Neither steps nor flourishes seem to apply TH. Why that is I can't say. Could possibly be tested with other actions.

[Delvish]

It's possible. Neither steps nor flourishes seem to apply TH. Why that is I can't say. Could possibly be tested with other actions.

I think it may have something to do with TH being applied on attacks and not abilities. Best way to test is probably use bully and/or steal with TH gear on, then attack without TH gear and see what you get. If TH works, try with Jump because at that point it is because of support job abilities. My guess though is definitely that TH doesn't work with JA. Only attacks and RA.