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  1. #221
    Player Plasticleg's Avatar
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    Zerichtwo
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    Siren
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    WHM Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    Step four - Adjust Aegis and Ochain since PLD is near invincible now and the ones with out may as well quit PLD or work on Aegis and Ochain.
    They're not broken at all.
    Make an Ochain.
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  2. #222
    Player dpdhuntress's Avatar
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    Dpdhuntress
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    Valefor
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    BST Lv 99
    Reducing a Bosses HP, that helps alot, oh wait the boss can still one shot an alliance with ease. Reducing Embrava and PD duration isnt the answer especially since LEGION bosses are Super god like creatures. Just Squares useless power move. Then they wonder why people find ways to cheat the system because some things are just ridiculous to fight.
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  3. #223
    Player Rezeak's Avatar
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    Rezeak
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    Ragnarok
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    DRK Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Plasticleg View Post
    They're not broken at all.
    Make an Ochain.
    If they ever fix the hate system no mob in the game will be able to use magic as a main source of dmg since 99 aegis allows for -100% magic dmg taken.

    As for Ochain isn't as bad but it still makes a pld immune to all normal hits and only the crazy of physical tp moves can get through.

    Which is fine atm cause of mobs duel wielding nuclear silos lol.

    Either way, I guess you missed the point if the hate system was fixed along with the mobs ability to deal ridiculous dmg Ochain and Aegis would definitly need to be scaled back so that there would be some challenge to the game and so that all other tanks NINs WARs none Relic/emp PLDs can acully be useful.

    Honestly SE messed up the game alot w/ all the stats it dished out post abyssea making us superpowered and the only way they can balance it atm is by making mob spam insta-death move so that the challenge is to avoid these moves usually by stun or perfect defense.

    Basically, if we/you want the hate system fixed so that PLD can rejoin the game then Aegis and Ochain would have to be nerfed or everything would be a joke.

    It's honestly that or mobs keep spamming insta-kill moves
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    Main : 99 DRK
    Subs : 99 SMN COR SCH MELEEWHM
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    Relics : 95 Ragnarok and 95 Apoc
    Ironic that when i was young i never had enough video games but now i have too many and not enough time to play them .

  4. #224
    Player Byrth's Avatar
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    Byrth
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    Lakshmi
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    DNC Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    If they ever fix the hate system no mob in the game will be able to use magic as a main source of dmg since 99 aegis allows for -100% magic dmg taken.
    Unfortunately not true:

    http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Magic_Damage_Taken
    There is an overall cap of -87.5% damage taken, including sources that bypass the other caps.
    Because you can hit the 87.5% cap with a level 90, 95, or 99 Aegis, going from 95 to 99 just lets you put a little more MDB on instead of -% MDT. Most people view it as a waste of gil.
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  5. #225
    Player Luvbunny's Avatar
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    SMN Lv 99
    Camate, could you please let the developers know, if they must stand their ground and refuse our suggestion on how to adjust Embrava and Perfect Defense, as well as adjusting NMs tp moves that is the REAL PROBLEM in the first place.

    Then please consider to revamp RDMs with spells that is actually works to reduce enemy TPs, giving it plague, and making their enfeebling NOT resisted and working 100% to stop that said TP move and reducing monster critical hit rates.

    As well as BUFFs Blue Mage so that their enfeeble spells works on NMs and stack with RDMs. This way instead of ZERG everything in 2 minutes or be wiped apart, endgame events should be a battle dance of how well can you control the NMs behaviour and capabilities, reducing their effectiveness to wipe your alliance, and at the same time chipping away their HPs while having several jobs set up to buffs the party.

    Since you are reducing SMN's ability and forcing the 600 smn magic skills, how about making Avatar's favor more useful, and scaling up the Avatar abilities, attack, hp, and BP to 99.
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    Last edited by Luvbunny; 10-29-2012 at 05:09 AM.

  6. #226
    Player Luvbunny's Avatar
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    BTW, try checking those forum on jobs that are quite perfect and pretty much extremely superior in what they are doing. You won't see many active serious posting other than silly crap like, Whm should have Candy Spikes. Nothing going on in Samurai forum either LOL.
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  7. #227
    Player Caketime's Avatar
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    Leviathan
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    WHM Lv 99
    ...I like candy. >.>
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  8. #228
    Player Mirage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvbunny View Post
    BTW, try checking those forum on jobs that are quite perfect and pretty much extremely superior in what they are doing. You won't see many active serious posting other than silly crap like, Whm should have Candy Spikes. Nothing going on in Samurai forum either LOL.
    Whm should have Banish 4 and 5, and it should do 1500-2000 damage to undeads!

    And Holy/Holy2 should be as strong as AM on undeads. .
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  9. #229
    Player Alerith's Avatar
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    Alerith
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    Cerberus
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    PLD Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    Step four - Adjust Aegis and Ochain since PLD is near invincible now and the ones with out may as well quit PLD or work on Aegis or Ochain.
    If you're PLD and not going for either (or both, depending on if necessary for your shell) Aegis or Ochain, you shouldn't be playing PLD.

    Contrary to popular belief, PLD is not a job you can half-ass. I'm not even done with my Ochain yet, and I can see the importance of having it.

    Second, neither shield makes you immortal. Many people thought that about their Ochain PLDs because they were godlike in abysssea. Most of these people got a rude awakening when they realized they could still be killed in Voidwatch.

    So, unless you have both shields, you still have a significant chance of dying.

    Also, magic damage taken caps at 80 something percent.
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  10. #230
    Player Camiie's Avatar
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    Camiie
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    Fenrir
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    MNK Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Alerith View Post
    If you're PLD and not going for either (or both, depending on if necessary for your shell) Aegis or Ochain, you shouldn't be playing PLD.
    While essentially true, the fact that one needs what are supposed to be luxury items just to play the job with anything resembling functionality is a telling sign that something is very wrong in Pallytown.

    Contrary to popular belief, PLD is not a job you can half-ass. I'm not even done with my Ochain yet, and I can see the importance of having it.
    I suppose not having a pair of legendary-class shields that, by design, not everyone is intended to have could be considered half-assing, but I would say the real half-assers are SE for creating a job that needs such things just to function. I dunno, maybe people like that it's that way. It's not something I consider good, but maybe I'm the exception.
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