WHATS NEW SALE PRICE FOR BLINKERS?

[Doombringer]

don't have access to blinkers? say what?!


you just need to log the op, you don't need to complete any of them. though i guess it hardly matters now. :\

[Zagen]

I never did the quest to get access to the option to get blinders.

You don't have to do the quest as in complete it, just start it. Also there are 0 prerequisites to access the quest.

[Arbalest]

In this particular case, SE does know how to run their own game. You should post in a different thread if you want to talk about poor decisions. Don't worry, there are plenty to choose from, but this is not one of them.

Changing something to punish legitimate players without managing to find a way to only punish those who need to be, i.e. gilsellers? lol, that's funny.

[Mirage]

Legitimate players were the target, because legitimate players were farming cruor gil like crazy as well. In the process, gilsellers got a bit of a blow as well. Nothing wrong with any of this.

Before you ask, yes, I converted a lot of cruor. It is still a terrible thing.

[Zagen]

Legitimate players were the target, because legitimate players were farming cruor gil like crazy as well. In the process, gilsellers got a bit of a blow as well. Nothing wrong with any of this.

I don't know if this applies across all servers or was Bismarck exclusive but while all the players who needed jobs leveled were happy enough paying RMT for cleave parties this wasn't something RMT participated in, at least not to the large levels prior to the nerf. Once people stopped wanting to pay for leech spots because they'd all leveled to cap RMT had to find something else and this was it.

So I disagree with this being targeted toward players, if it was it would have been sooner. This was the easiest way to "stop RMT" regardless of how it affected players. Besides it's not like the players would be mad SE is stopping the RMT which players hate...

[Mirage]

Far from all leech cleave parties were RMT. While I realize this is second hand info, friends of mine who did participate in them were usually of the opinion that the non-RMT cleave parties were better. Probably due to having better gear and stuff.

There are legitimate players with capped gil on several mules as a direct result of cleaving for weeks. It wouldn't be a very far stretch to claim that there has been more money generated from cruor grinding than from the old tavnazia npc-buy-sell exploit back in the day. Partially because SE let this go on for a lot longer, though, and did never once even hint towards it being considered an exploit after being told about it several times.

Additionally, even if RMT didn't actually cleave with an alliance full of rmt multiaccounts to gain cruor, they indirectly soaked up the cruor generated by their paying customers, because a large amount of the gil they paid for cruor parties with were made from cruor. Not always by them directly, but somewhere down the line.

While I am sure there would always be someone who were willing to pay 100k an hour to be PLed, choosing this path is a lot easier when you know you'll get more than the gil back as cruor in the process. No matter how poor you were, as long as you managed to get 60k cruor somewhere, you could start cleave leeching forever without ever losing gil from it.

The bottom line is that this issue arose from both RMT and legitimate players. Both generated a tremendous amount of gil out of nothing. Orders of magnitude more than what was drained out of circulation through NPCs.

[Zagen]

Far from all leech cleave parties were RMT. While I realize this is second hand info, friends of mine who did participate in them were usually of the opinion that the non-RMT cleave parties were better. Probably due to having better gear and stuff.

There are legitimate players with capped gil on several mules as a direct result of cleaving for weeks. It wouldn't be a very far stretch to claim that there has been more money generated from cruor grinding than from the old tavnazia npc-buy-sell exploit back in the day. Partially because SE let this go on for a lot longer, though, and did never once even hint towards it being considered an exploit after being told about it several times.

Additionally, even if RMT didn't actually cleave with an alliance full of rmt multiaccounts to gain cruor, they indirectly soaked up the cruor generated by their paying customers, because a large amount of the gil they paid for cruor parties with were made from cruor. Not always by them directly, but somewhere down the line.

While I am sure there would always be someone who were willing to pay 100k an hour to be PLed, choosing this path is a lot easier when you know you'll get more than the gil back as cruor in the process. No matter how poor you were, as long as you managed to get 60k cruor somewhere, you could start cleave leeching forever without ever losing gil from it.

The bottom line is that this issue arose from both RMT and legitimate players. Both generated a tremendous amount of gil out of nothing. Orders of magnitude more than what was drained out of circulation through NPCs.

I never said all cleave groups were RMT I said that's what RMT did and it was obvious when it was RMT vs. Legit players.

2 years of players abusing it openly begs to differ with your opinion as to the RMT not being the deciding factor for the nerf.

[Arcon]

Yet you play FFXI?

Indeed, and I never grind anything, except when I'm helping LS people farm empyreans. This game was only a grind to me when old EXP was around. Ever since that's gone, I've been having fun with pretty much everything I do. FFXI is only a grindfest if you're boring and don't know what else you can do.

2 years of players abusing it openly begs to differ with your opinion as to the RMT not being the deciding factor for the nerf.

RMT have been abusing it for the same time, and more than legit players too. I've heard an interesting argument yesterday for why it may have been only now, maybe SE was ok with creating more money for the upcoming expansion, so more money is in circulation again for when new people sign up (or old people return). But I'm not sure if that's the case, because it feels like they've let it go a bit too far, especially with some certain individuals who were botting cruor 24/7 for months and can now buy the entire game if they wanted to.

[Zagen]

Indeed, and I never grind anything, except when I'm helping LS people farm empyreans. This game was only a grind to me when old EXP was around. Ever since that's gone, I've been having fun with pretty much everything I do. FFXI is only a grindfest if you're boring and don't know what else you can do.

The point was everything in the game is a grindfest, using that as a reason to not do something is flawed reasoning.

RMT have been abusing it for the same time, and more than legit players too. I've heard an interesting argument yesterday for why it may have been only now, maybe SE was ok with creating more money for the upcoming expansion, so more money is in circulation again for when new people sign up (or old people return). But I'm not sure if that's the case, because it feels like they've let it go a bit too far, especially with some certain individuals who were botting cruor 24/7 for months and can now buy the entire game if they wanted to.

Like I said based on my server the RMT were more than happy selling leech slots for exp, it wasn't until recently (1-3 months ago or so) that they started doing the alliance of mules instead of leechers.

In the past NPCables got nerfed because of RMT why would this be any different? SE still thinks that crap works when it didn't work with rusty armor, blood from leeches/bats, weapons from demons, etc.

As to the idea of SE wanting more gil in circulation, why at this stage of the game's life? I mean almost everything you can get that's worth wasting time on is Rare/Ex. The only major gil sink at the moment is Legion and few people are doing that meaning gil is just being passed around between the players.

[Kristal]

What do you reconmend then? What do you mean by 'invest'?

Edited to add: Even in EVE online you can make money off of PvE content. You can make an easy million blowing up belt pirates, thirty million an hour just completing level four missions (which can be done solo), several hundred million selling faction ships you buy with points you earn in missions. Hell you can practically mint your own money mining.

This has been an area that FFxi has always been weak in, that there aren't enough ways to make money for interested parties.

Except EVE isk is measured in billions, while FFXI gil is measured in millions. EVE is entirely player driven, where ship and pod kills are a brutal death tax that can set you back weeks or months. There is no annual hulkageddon in FFXI where thousands of players start murdering everyone in Jeuno and rob their moghouses, no freighterganking at Jita.
You might be able to mint your own pennies, but they get melted down just as fast. In FFXI, there is no overflow valve for gil.