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[Zagen]

Far from all leech cleave parties were RMT. While I realize this is second hand info, friends of mine who did participate in them were usually of the opinion that the non-RMT cleave parties were better. Probably due to having better gear and stuff.

There are legitimate players with capped gil on several mules as a direct result of cleaving for weeks. It wouldn't be a very far stretch to claim that there has been more money generated from cruor grinding than from the old tavnazia npc-buy-sell exploit back in the day. Partially because SE let this go on for a lot longer, though, and did never once even hint towards it being considered an exploit after being told about it several times.

Additionally, even if RMT didn't actually cleave with an alliance full of rmt multiaccounts to gain cruor, they indirectly soaked up the cruor generated by their paying customers, because a large amount of the gil they paid for cruor parties with were made from cruor. Not always by them directly, but somewhere down the line.

While I am sure there would always be someone who were willing to pay 100k an hour to be PLed, choosing this path is a lot easier when you know you'll get more than the gil back as cruor in the process. No matter how poor you were, as long as you managed to get 60k cruor somewhere, you could start cleave leeching forever without ever losing gil from it.

The bottom line is that this issue arose from both RMT and legitimate players. Both generated a tremendous amount of gil out of nothing. Orders of magnitude more than what was drained out of circulation through NPCs.

I never said all cleave groups were RMT I said that's what RMT did and it was obvious when it was RMT vs. Legit players.

2 years of players abusing it openly begs to differ with your opinion as to the RMT not being the deciding factor for the nerf.

[Arcon]

Yet you play FFXI?

Indeed, and I never grind anything, except when I'm helping LS people farm empyreans. This game was only a grind to me when old EXP was around. Ever since that's gone, I've been having fun with pretty much everything I do. FFXI is only a grindfest if you're boring and don't know what else you can do.

2 years of players abusing it openly begs to differ with your opinion as to the RMT not being the deciding factor for the nerf.

RMT have been abusing it for the same time, and more than legit players too. I've heard an interesting argument yesterday for why it may have been only now, maybe SE was ok with creating more money for the upcoming expansion, so more money is in circulation again for when new people sign up (or old people return). But I'm not sure if that's the case, because it feels like they've let it go a bit too far, especially with some certain individuals who were botting cruor 24/7 for months and can now buy the entire game if they wanted to.

[Zagen]

Indeed, and I never grind anything, except when I'm helping LS people farm empyreans. This game was only a grind to me when old EXP was around. Ever since that's gone, I've been having fun with pretty much everything I do. FFXI is only a grindfest if you're boring and don't know what else you can do.

The point was everything in the game is a grindfest, using that as a reason to not do something is flawed reasoning.

RMT have been abusing it for the same time, and more than legit players too. I've heard an interesting argument yesterday for why it may have been only now, maybe SE was ok with creating more money for the upcoming expansion, so more money is in circulation again for when new people sign up (or old people return). But I'm not sure if that's the case, because it feels like they've let it go a bit too far, especially with some certain individuals who were botting cruor 24/7 for months and can now buy the entire game if they wanted to.

Like I said based on my server the RMT were more than happy selling leech slots for exp, it wasn't until recently (1-3 months ago or so) that they started doing the alliance of mules instead of leechers.

In the past NPCables got nerfed because of RMT why would this be any different? SE still thinks that crap works when it didn't work with rusty armor, blood from leeches/bats, weapons from demons, etc.

As to the idea of SE wanting more gil in circulation, why at this stage of the game's life? I mean almost everything you can get that's worth wasting time on is Rare/Ex. The only major gil sink at the moment is Legion and few people are doing that meaning gil is just being passed around between the players.

[Aldersyde]

The point was everything in the game is a grindfest, using that as a reason to not do something is flawed reasoning.


Like I said based on my server the RMT were more than happy selling leech slots for exp, it wasn't until recently (1-3 months ago or so) that they started doing the alliance of mules instead of leechers.

In the past NPCables got nerfed because of RMT why would this be any different? SE still thinks that crap works when it didn't work with rusty armor, blood from leeches/bats, weapons from demons, etc.

As to the idea of SE wanting more gil in circulation, why at this stage of the game's life? I mean almost everything you can get that's worth wasting time on is Rare/Ex. The only major gil sink at the moment is Legion and few people are doing that meaning gil is just being passed around between the players.

Maybe SE should have taken a hard, critical, and honest look at why players aren't doing Legion (we've already given them lots of reasons why the event is unpopular....totally unforgiving deathga spamming nature nature and ho-hum rewards for the effort) and made adjustments that would make it more palatable to the wider playerbase. This would allow the event to act as a gil sink like it was supposed to, rather than relying on draconian measures like the complete devaluation of cruor which just piss people off and demoralize players. And Legion won't see a newfound popularity anytime soon with the difficulty players perceive in making gil again.

It's really just compounding failure after failure on SE' s part since Abyssea to make content that's actually fun and rewarding at this point.

[Mirage]

Nah, they just want every melee to fulltime -50% DT, defender, vit and def gear. Haste, accuracy? Pfft. So what if you can't kill the mobs within the time limit.

[Luvbunny]

Nah, they just want every melee to fulltime -50% DT, defender, vit and def gear. Haste, accuracy? Pfft. So what if you can't kill the mobs within the time limit.

To be honest, there are still several tricks that scholar, summoner, blue and bard can employ for damage mitigation. It won't be as AWESOME as the combo of Embrava + PD since the original duo tackle several things in one neat two swoops that last quite a bit. The new ways would have to combine a couple of jobs, put Scholar + Bard + Corsair on DD party. Can also mix Summoner + Scholar, or Summoner + Bard if you want 4 DDs. Or make a rotation party of some sort lol. For big endgame could still be doable, albeit a lot of coordination. For Nyzul may be a bit tougher to do with the embrava time being so short. Adloquium is certainly doable, and the tp regain +1 earring from WoTG for a basic 2 tp regain.

[Zagen]

Adloquium is certainly doable, and the tp regain +1 earring from WoTG for a basic 2 tp regain

Do good DD players still do Regain earrings over TP Bonus? I mean that's kinda like Suppanomimi and I wish I picked Suppanomimi.

[JohnGotti]

Pair of muppets.

[Mirage]

people are being so angry in this thread
be happy instead, it's more fun

[Mirage]

Yeah, the way I understand it, TP bonus is going to outperform regain in most situations. The regain on moonshade does only work while engaged, so it won't give you TP while running from one mob to the next. If it did, regain might have been a real alternative to TP bonus on it.

Personally, I'm going to put refresh on my moonshade anyway.