[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments

[Michaeluk]

I think the best way to fix Relic weapons is to make them break caps as well as the already implemented %dmg of ws increase. i.e. Catastrophe: Additional effect 10% haste instead of replacing 10% gear haste. Aegis should break MDT cap. Amano should give tp return as if it were 450 delay on top of the 10 store tp. These are just a few ideas they could add to the 95 version. It gives them an edge to keep up with the aftermath of empyreans.

This would be a start, they also need to boost the hidden odd. Crysten up there doesn't feel its hard to get a relic funny she doesn't have one she also tells us relic holders to get a empyrean well i did and i still say as a owner of both relics need fixing and empyreans are a joke to get.

Also getting sick of people saying relic holders are butthurt we can't look down on people anymore lol please its more about the 3 months to 3 years some people put into getting relics to only be shit on by se. As i pointed out in a earlier thread it takes longer to take a 85 relic to 90 than it does to make a empyrean weapon.

[Unctgtg]

This would be a start, they also need to boost the hidden odd. Crysten up there doesn't feel its hard to get a relic funny she doesn't have one she also tells us relic holders to get a empyrean well i did and i still say as a owner of both relics need fixing and empyreans are a joke to get.

Also getting sick of people saying relic holders are butthurt we can't look down on people anymore lol please its more about the 3 months to 3 years some people put into getting relics to only be shit on by se. As i pointed out in a earlier thread it takes longer to take a 85 relic to 90 than it does to make a empyrean weapon.

Ah good point on 85-90

[Reiokyu]

Wow...these complaint threads are everywhere...

[Ganukay]

The only weapons that desperately need a fix at this point are Mythics. SE came so close to making that questline great until they plopped the 30,000 Alexandrite requirement on it, making it nigh impossible to complete a Mythic at this point now that Salvage is dead.

this. so hard to find alexandrites, lately.

[Crysten]

This would be a start, they also need to boost the hidden odd. Crysten up there doesn't feel its hard to get a relic funny she doesn't have one

Or it might be because I don't want one.

I was happily working on Aegis until SE decided to kill my main job. I then went for Masamune instead.

Less assuming/mad, please.

[Rambus]

If you consider the factors going into both weapons, I honestly feel relics are not that hard to get. For everyone throwing around the argument that "baaw, my relic is crap compared to something I could get in a week," here's a crazy thought: why don't you get an Empyrean? You just said it was easy, right?

Relics only need money and two NMs in Dynamis. People are only restricted by the amount of currency they can buy/handle at any given time. One of my friends completed Spharai in around 3 months just by bazaaring in Upper Jeuno. The majority of time spent upgrading a relic is simply through farming Gil and buying currency. To me, that isn't hard. Yes, you could throw in the "2 years of sponsored Dynamis" argument, but really, money is all it essentially boils down to.

Empyreans, by comparison, are all time investment and work, made easier by the constant level cap increases. If you were one of the pioneers, going for say, a Masamune at level 80, you'd have probably needed an alliance to take down Carabosse. Anyone can get a relic. Dynamis isn't hard, especially now. Relic owners obtained their weapons through monetary investments. Empyrean owners obtained their weapons through time investments.

I will agree the original relic trial upgrade criteria were absolutely crazy though.

The only weapons that desperately need a fix at this point are Mythics. SE came so close to making that questline great until they plopped the 30,000 Alexandrite requirement on it, making it nigh impossible to complete a Mythic at this point now that Salvage is dead.

I just feel this argument is going exactly the same way as those nostalgic people from the CoP era. You got a relic when it was hard, and now you're upset that years and 15 levels later, there's now something better.

Boo freaking hoo. It doesn't cheapen the achievement, just get with the times.

problem, you said relics are easier now becauase of new level caps right? well emps are the same way. emps got drasically easier then relics did, you went from allys to solo/duo.

can you solo the dyna nms?
can you solo dyna?

you can solo emps though.

people really need to stop saying its only money and money is easy to get.

[Alderin]

The only people that are "upset" are the people who are relic owners who use their relic/relics as an excuse to feel they are superior to other players who have yet to obtain one, so lets keep it real here shall we? I bet Unctgtg is one of those players with his Apocalypse (I see 90 DRK on him, so it's a pretty educated guess)

I welcome this change to dynamis, as I enjoyed it since I first started doing it, and am looking forward to trying out this new "Dynamis v2.0"

I am replying blindly for the rest of the thread but read this and disagree entirely.

I am a non relic or mythic owner and believe that Relics / Mythics should at least be boosted to the extent of at least comparable, if not - better augmented (with aftermath effects etc) then they currently stand vs. Empyrean weapons.

[Anethia]

I am in no way againts making relic weapons easier to obtain. In fact I welcome it. since i started playing in 2004 i've been wanting an excalibur, aegis, and gungir. the biggest issue i had was how much time it was going to take, time that i frankly didn't have. I like the idea of relic weapons being easier to obtain cause that means I might be able to finish more than one and not have to spend 4-5 years doing it.

I applaud you relic holders for getting your relic weapons, good for you. I was happy to finally get my valor surcoat after waiting for 2 years to get one, an armor piece which has been pretty much outdated since the release of ToAU. That being said, was I upset to see SE start adjusting relic drop rates when myself and many others i know waited months, if not years to get a specific relic piece? I was a little irritated, until I realized that it also works in my favor, making it easier for my to get relic for my other 4 jobs.

As for making them more powerful, you have magian trials to upgrade them, and who knows it might have a synergy recipe too to add more stats. All the time you spend crying that your weapon is outdated could be spent making it better or working on another one. Let the rest of us who have spent the last 7 years in the shadows finally have some time in the sun.

[Alderin]

As for making them more powerful, you have magian trials to upgrade them, and who knows it might have a synergy recipe too to add more stats. All the time you spend crying that your weapon is outdated could be spent making it better or working on another one. Let the rest of us who have spent the last 7 years in the shadows finally have some time in the sun.

A lvl 90 Empyrean vs. lvl 90 Relic (obtained via Magian trials since the cap rise) is still massively underpowered compared to their less-effort counterparts.

They are complaining for a valid reason - Even the magian moogles won't give them a weapon that is up to par for the time spent.

[Crysten]

problem, you said relics are easier now becauase of new level caps right? well emps are the same way. emps got drasically easier then relics did, you went from allys to solo/duo.

can you solo the dyna nms?
can you solo dyna?

you can solo emps though.

people really need to stop saying its only money and money is easy to get.

Dual/Tri-boxing =/= Soloing. If you can box Empyreans, you can box Dynamis.

While you can solo certain mobs without any major issue these days (Briareus and Cirein-Croin come to mind specifically, POSSIBLY Sobek if you're lucky), I would love to see you solo Carabosse, Bukhis, Glavoid and numerous other Empyrean NMs without a second character.

Dynamis can be lowmanned easily. Dynamis 2.0 is probably going to make it several times easier.

Money isn't hard to get unless you're stupid. Have you even seen the amount of money people will pay for stupid things like Ironclad drops and Catarae kills now, as well as HNM drops back in the day?

Anethia put it by far the best way. You can continue sitting around crying for your updates. An easy, cheap and low risk alternative is sitting right on your lap and you're turning your nose up at it. The only reason I can even fathom people getting upset over this is pride. You spent time getting your awesome weapon, but now there's something better.

If you're going simply by difficulty and time spent obtaining the weapon, then Mythics need to be adjusted with way more urgency before ANY Relic or Empyrean.

I spent 2 years and 20 million Gil in Salvage to get my full Usukane set and Empyrean armour slaps all that work in the face. Does that mean I'm automatically entitled to Salvage upgrades and get to whine when they won't be on par with AF3+2? Of course not, I just set myself new goals to improve my character!