67 Gil Chocobo Blinkers seriously?

[Demon6324236]

So it's ok as long as they increase the value of an event that you in particular of all people like for no reason other than that you don't like the tons of other things that shit money out of every end? Dynamis and Salvage were only two examples, there's also crafting, fishing, resale, xNMs, WoE, FC parties (which you admitted got you 12M daily while you were doing it), etc.

Question, for what reason will people do VW now? If you want Athos' Boots for instance, you will do LL, but for how long? Till you get the boots, then your done, you leave, nothing more to be gotten from the NM after that except possibly Brego Gloves if they drop, but thats a low chance, about 3% which isn't enough for many people to sign up for it. That means its harder to find people to do it. You list these other things, let me run through that list rq.

Dyna:Can be soloed, no need for others to join you, do it when/if you wish.

Salvage:Needs only 3 people, in truth only 1 person if you can find 2 others to get you in, and then your free to do as you wish.

Crafting:Requires money to start, can be done alone, or with buying materials from the AH so long as they are there.

Fishing:Boring, requires alot of time it seems, and from what I have read it seems alot of money made this way is via NPC, no different than Cruor did, which seems to land us in the same exact problem.

Resale:If you have things you don't need anymore this is fine, the fact is however that many things worth having are R/EX, meaning you cant sell them, only drop them, which prevents resale.

xNMs:Requires a few people possibly, can be done with the YOYD mentality or with a few friends, requires seals/crests.

WoE:...lol

FC:Requires people willing to pay what your willing to cleave for.

Everything you mentioned can be basically equally beneficial for everyone, or can be done with few people. FCing being the only one in the list which requires more than 6, and the majority of them are solo. The reason VW is a problem is you need alot of people for it, unless there is a reason to do it, its harder to get those people, making it harder to actually get the drops which are already hard enough to get thanks to the drop rates. Really, 1 of the things you mentioned suffers this problem so far as I know, WoE. Unless that changed at some point, its still not commonly done, which is why Fake Emps are still stupid to make as they take more effort than the real thing.

I didn't say it because I <3 VW & think its the best event evur, its because its an event with low ass drop rates on good gear that requires alot of people, and unless you give some incentive to those who already have the rewards from it, your supply of people will dry up as fast as you can get them to drop, or people give up on them. For example, I joined a party for Gaunab in an attempt to get the Ogier's Breeches, I joined a Kaggen party on my other character, both parties were at about the same amount of people at the start. I put Demonjustin at the pop spot for Gaunab to wait, and did all 6 kills of Kaggen before the Gaunab party had filled, let alone gathered at the Rift. I have no idea how many people joined for the gear, or how many joined for something to do, but I assure you anyone who walked away with what they wanted wont be coming back now. People who got their gear from that NM, wont be joining that shout anymore because there is no gain, and in the end it hurts them to join, so shouts will take longer & longer, they will die, and eventually gear will become basically unobtainable because no one will want to do VW, it will take several hours to find a group of people who don't have, but want the gear a NM drops.

Some VWNMs are safe from this, Kaggen, Akvan, Pil, Ig, Rex, Morta, Bismarck, Qilin, Uptala, & Aello. They drop plates, Dross, and Cinder, which means they drop money, which will keep them going for a while because people keep making Emps, and keep wanting lv95~99 Emps. However anything that falls outside of that will be harder & harder to make groups for with each person who gets the gear because it will have no incentive for those who have it already.

[Godofgods]

Making gil should be fun - an adventure, not this stupid brainless nonsense. Even the dynamis grind is more entertaining and fulfilling that spamming menus on a npc for hours on end.

no.. no it is not...

[Kriegsgott]

want to make money?

keep in mind there ar still Allied Notes for Voiddust

[SharMarali]

I agree with most of that, except I don't think it is fair to call it "abusing". There is absolutely no way SE did not know about this from almost the very beginning of. There were numerous forum posts raising concerns over it, and I'm pretty sure I know of at least one person who called a GM to make sure that it was not considered an exploit before using it.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that it was a violation of ToS. I don't see any reason to believe that it was. When I said "abuse," I meant it as "abusing the system." Alcohol is legal to buy if you're over 21, but it can be abused. Same basic concept.

[Mirage]

I know you meant it like that, but I still think that the word "abuse" makes it sound like the players are to fault. SE basically did something that would be equivalent to giving everyone in a country a license to print legal money, and then when people asked "are you sure this is a good idea?", they said "yes, just keep doing it".

It is a terrible idea to give someone the ability to do that, but it is both terrible and idiotic to expect people to not use it.

[Siiri]

I am going to side with the players who wondered why anyone thought that a gil fountain like this was going to remain. I remember when the beaches of Bubu were packed with leech farmers for bloods. They were nerfed. Then it was gardening, that was nerfed, etc etc. Always got to stay creative. Give the economy a chance to shake out, and see what is up. I can't believe this cruor nonsense was left untouched for so long. It was fine to take advantage of, but it wasn't some promise to you that it would always be there. Got to stay diversified in your gil making, never know what is around the corner.

[Fupafighter]

"Give us a way of making gil." What? 2M daily in Dynamis isn't enough? 4M daily with both Dynamis and Salvage isn't enough?

People seem to misunderstand what "making gil" is, especially the "making" part. Dynamis and Salvage and even FC parties are great because they don't create any new gil, but just shift the gil within the economy around. The same isn't true for cruor. Cruor actually "made" gil, out of nothing. In regulated amounts, this is good and productive, if the player population supports it. The only reason some people didn't notice the influx of money reflect badly on their own gameplay was because the player population went up significantly after the SoA announcements, so there were people ready to consume all that money. As soon as that would have calmed down, you would notice it tremendously, because the supply would be going down, because less people are doing relevant content, while the money keeps going up, and we'd end up in the same crapper we've been a few years ago when people were asking 100M for a Thief's Knife and not getting laughed at for being retarded.

Tl;dr it's a very bad thing if everyone can afford everything, regardless of how good it sounds in your head.

Just thought I would let you know, you make your gil back in cruor from fell cleave parties, via the cleaver is taking your gil, and converting cruor into gil. And so are the people who cleaved with them. So no, fell cleaves greatly hurt the economy.

[Vagrua]

If any problem came of this change, its that cruor became worthless, and VW became much less rewarding at the same time as being a much less attractive event, when it was already highly hated due to drop rates.

I agree with you, VW is going to be even less appealing and more difficult to find people for now unless the price of Heavy Metal Plates rises exponentially. Not to mention, finding others to help with clears for new players entering the game/people who still need them will become more of a hassle than it's worth.

[Demon6324236]

True, players making win runs before had a hard time so far as I have seen, people in my LS shouted for I think about 4 hours to make a Sandy group, which failed at the Pixie a couple times even. Now that this has happened... Anyone new to VW, is gonna be paying a few hundred k to start their wins probably, and after that, they get to play roulette with VW's drop system, so really not likely to see to many more people interested in VW I suppose.

[Plasticleg]

I agree with you, VW is going to be even less appealing and more difficult to find people for now...

I thoroughly disagree with this statement. SE set the abysmal drop rates for pulse items so that people would still be doing VW. Just because the old/original crowd eventually maxed out on gear (very unlikely) doesn't mean that there are newer players to the event, who are finally hitting the brick wall. Even with the advent of the QQnerf, there were 3-4 VW groups shouting against each other at NA primetime last night on Siren. And already lulz at the countless number of 140k HMP's on the AH website last night.