shinryu proc

[Rambus]

It doesn't matter. If you've ever gotten the message - even if it was dirty - it's not that ability for the proc. You'll also never see a discern proc(in my and all of my friends' experiences) on the same spell/WS that the proc is.

like others said, no

I want to make things clear since the wording is confusing to me however.

You CAN get the hint on a failed proc attempt by the thing that procs it.