shinryu proc

[detlef]

I've never seen the correct WS/spell give a discernment message in Abyssea. Can somebody post a screenshot? Doesn't have to be on this forum.

Also VW and Abyssea procs can't really be compared perfectly because VW procs constantly change. A weakness can be procced and be replaced by the same weakness immediately which can cause confusion.

[Infidi]

It's pretty easy to ascertain that dirty proc messages in abyssea still give you a message. I've had it happen plenty of times. If the dirty proc message was the right proc it certainly couldn't proc if it was dirty, thus still giving the message and still able to be the right proc. This happend both as proccing yellow on BLM and as red on my WAR, during the mob doing a TP move/casting a spell.

[Fynlar]

That is not what I meant by dirty, that's simply a missed spell. By "dirty" I meant while mob uses a TP move, is casting or stunned and hence, despite landing, the spell will not stagger a weakness.

But technically, the spell hasn't missed. It can still land and do damage, but if the spell's added effect doesn't land for whatever reason, it doesn't get the proc. At least, that's what I've heard some BLUs say. No idea how accurate that is.

It's kinda like the inverse of when Blitzstrahl was a proc in Abyssea; where its stun effect would take effect before it would proc the mob, and therefore if the stun effect landed, it was unable to get a proc.

[Arcon]

But technically, the spell hasn't missed. It can still land and do damage, but if the spell's added effect doesn't land for whatever reason, it doesn't get the proc. At least, that's what I've heard some BLUs say. No idea how accurate that is.

I cannot argue that as my BLU knowledge can be summed up by "next to nothing". I don't even know which spells can do that, but I figured it was an accuracy issue. However, if it's not, then I agree that would indeed be "dirty".