Expansion (Seekers of Adoulin) to have PvP content?

[Fistandantilus]

FFXI needs some real PvP not the gimmicky crap we have been stuck with for years, and def not some play as a monster if you want to PvP nonsense. Put it in a central location. Make it accessible to everyone, and it will be popular.

[Nawesemo]

i play the job very well thank you, but if you have a war chasing you with full tp lets see how long you'll survive when they use a emp/relic/myth weaponskill on you, unless you have earthern armor on with its limited duration your dead.

Nuke hard nuke fast no mercy for the -300 fire resistance wearing war....... adapt or death will be your fate.

[nyheen]

each job got a weak point and strong point, learn how to use it well. who ever was saying about the war chasing smn etc, learn what smn can do to shutdown/slowdown his movement speed, check his gear, and know what he got,

let see if i was the smn and fighting war/dnc? /sam /nin? i would try spaming sleepga on him if he not playing by the item rules, or diabolos him down, with the gravity spam move, i may /rdm and full buffed on pdt or /nin him. it a few possible ways of winning but i dont feel like going over them. but ya you get the idea. all about trial and error

[Caketime]

i play the job very well thank you, but if you have a war chasing you with full tp lets see how long you'll survive when they use a emp/relic/myth weaponskill on you, unless you have earthern armor on with its limited duration your dead.

Bind, nuke, laugh all the way to the bank. Like I said earlier, learn to play.*

[saevel]

FFXI needs some real PvP not the gimmicky crap we have been stuck with for years, and def not some play as a monster if you want to PvP nonsense. Put it in a central location. Make it accessible to everyone, and it will be popular.

Simply not possible without retooling the entire game.

Basic game mechanics are balanced for PC's vs ridiculously strong yet stupid monsters. Players are much more capable of exploiting game mechanics like WS distance and CC's then monsters are. What would start out as "fun" would quickly deteriorate into rabid hate as those without the pimped "chosen" jobs would be pissed at their disadvantage. Pet jobs are a prime example, PvE the player can control and manipulate monster enmity to force their pet to tank, no such method exists and their pets mind as well not even be there. Pure melee's are also at an extreme disadvantage as mages / hybrids can use CC to keep the pure DD at a distance or enfeeble them so as to make them easy to kill. In that same regard pure mages lose traction to the hybrids like BLU and RDM. If SE allowed for PvP then you'd see nothing but a swarm of BLU's and a few crafty RDM's killing everyone, this would be followed by great wailing and gnashing of teeth.

If SE were to nerf enfeebling effects / magic damage then it would make the mages / hybrids nigh useless and every fight would be who can spam the most high damage WS's, MS WAR, SAM and MNK domination. You get the exact same gnashing of teeth.

There is no way for SE to win, no matter what they do one segment of the player base will hate them and claim whatever system they implemented was unfair. That is why they had the idea of Player vs Player Monster (PvPM) as a compromise. It allows them to maintain the core PvE mechanics (accuracy / evasion / LCF / pDiff / MA / ME / ect..) of the game and still allow players to combat each other. One player simply isn't a "player" anymore and instead becomes the NM with 20K or more HP, the super moves and all the resistances native to that NM but without the players equipment swaps and abilities.

[Secondplanet]

Bind, nuke, laugh all the way to the bank. Like I said earlier, learn to play.*

and if bind doesn't work? Last i checked summoner didn't have a way to bind that wasn't a rage ability so when do i nuke?? 45 seconds later and hope for the best? In that time my avatar could be dead or even health fodder for someone with drain samba.

Also since its PVP would my avatar auto-protect me or just sit there waiting for a command. Like many others said this game was made for PVE so PVP doens't work to well.

If you really want PVP go play a game based on it, Or is it that it was to much for most people and they have to make a PVE game with severely unbalanced jobs into one so they can feel better about themselves.

As i said before i know my job and knowing the job i know the limitations to it. Outside of abyssea our avatars can only survive a short time against any mob with power. Yes i can come /nin and have shadows but then when would i get a chance to heal myself? stop attacking to use carby on myself or garuda? I know most ppl would poison themselves so diablos can't sleep them, and as for ramuh i can have shock squall last for 1min easily and other times its over before i even had a chance to cast it.

My smn magic is 4lvls from cap i have been sought out for tips how to play. Stop living in the state of grandeur that i don't know this job and you do when you can't even admit there is limitations to it. If SE would finally give our abilities the boost they need then we can talk but coming for a bst who gets new pets every month you can't talk.

[nyheen]

and if bind doesn't work? Last i checked summoner didn't have a way to bind that wasn't a rage ability so when do i nuke?? 45 seconds later and hope for the best? In that time my avatar could be dead or even health fodder for someone with drain samba.

Also since its PVP would my avatar auto-protect me or just sit there waiting for a command. Like many others said this game was made for PVE so PVP doens't work to well.

If you really want PVP go play a game based on it, Or is it that it was to much for most people and they have to make a PVE game with severely unbalanced jobs into one so they can feel better about themselves.

As i said before i know my job and knowing the job i know the limitations to it. Outside of abyssea our avatars can only survive a short time against any mob with power. Yes i can come /nin and have shadows but then when would i get a chance to heal myself? stop attacking to use carby on myself or garuda? I know most ppl would poison themselves so diablos can't sleep them, and as for ramuh i can have shock squall last for 1min easily and other times its over before i even had a chance to cast it.

My smn magic is 4lvls from cap i have been sought out for tips how to play. Stop living in the state of grandeur that i don't know this job and you do when you can't even admit there is limitations to it. If SE would finally give our abilities the boost they need then we can talk but coming for a bst who gets new pets every month you can't talk.

have you ever seen them buffed up to god mages with pdt? rdm whm sch blm blu even brd etc? the ones most DDs just cant kill with physical dmg alone and ignore them in the OM battles and can be only killed by magic mostly?

smn also got that kinda pdt. just have to learn what and how to use it

[Ryanx]

I remember seeing a clip on the ffxi youtube page were ppl were doing pvp in what looked like a football feild then I remember WG has a small part that is not out yet and no one has no idea what that is for

[Caketime]

and if bind doesn't work? Last i checked summoner didn't have a way to bind that wasn't a rage ability so when do i nuke?? 45 seconds later and hope for the best? In that time my avatar could be dead or even health fodder for someone with drain samba.

Also since its PVP would my avatar auto-protect me or just sit there waiting for a command. Like many others said this game was made for PVE so PVP doens't work to well.

If you really want PVP go play a game based on it, Or is it that it was to much for most people and they have to make a PVE game with severely unbalanced jobs into one so they can feel better about themselves.

As i said before i know my job and knowing the job i know the limitations to it. Outside of abyssea our avatars can only survive a short time against any mob with power. Yes i can come /nin and have shadows but then when would i get a chance to heal myself? stop attacking to use carby on myself or garuda? I know most ppl would poison themselves so diablos can't sleep them, and as for ramuh i can have shock squall last for 1min easily and other times its over before i even had a chance to cast it.

My smn magic is 4lvls from cap i have been sought out for tips how to play. Stop living in the state of grandeur that i don't know this job and you do when you can't even admit there is limitations to it. If SE would finally give our abilities the boost they need then we can talk but coming for a bst who gets new pets every month you can't talk.

Sub SCH, use Addendum: Black and gear yourself halfway right and your bind won't miss.Then you're free to ram pointy objects into the gooch of your enemy. While my job does get new pets on a semi-regular basis, most of them have zero utility, nearly all of the Ready moves are the same thing (physical TP moves) with different names. There are obvious exceptions like Fantod and Harden Shell, but those are very few. Most of our variety comes in the form of getting ourselves killed in new and interesting ways, PVP content is the same. I've lost as many fights as I've won, and often it comes down to who has better timing and/or dancing in and out of WS range.

I'm not sure why you're trying to use the "play another game" argument for this, it's not like you're getting your arm twisted to try it out, but why be negative about it before even giving it a chance? I can tell from what you posted about the "what if..." scenario involving bind that you don't do this sort of thing on a regular basis, so why bash others for wanting to enjoy a piece of content that you won't use yourself? You don't hate fun, do you?

[Secondplanet]

Sub SCH, use Addendum: Black and gear yourself halfway right and your bind won't miss.Then you're free to ram pointy objects into the gooch of your enemy. While my job does get new pets on a semi-regular basis, most of them have zero utility, nearly all of the Ready moves are the same thing (physical TP moves) with different names. There are obvious exceptions like Fantod and Harden Shell, but those are very few. Most of our variety comes in the form of getting ourselves killed in new and interesting ways, PVP content is the same. I've lost as many fights as I've won, and often it comes down to who has better timing and/or dancing in and out of WS range.

I'm not sure why you're trying to use the "play another game" argument for this, it's not like you're getting your arm twisted to try it out, but why be negative about it before even giving it a chance? I can tell from what you posted about the "what if..." scenario involving bind that you don't do this sort of thing on a regular basis, so why bash others for wanting to enjoy a piece of content that you won't use yourself? You don't hate fun, do you?

But what your are saying is hypocritical, from my original post you have done nothing but try to belittle me for my own personal opinion on this matter. I don't care in the slightest for PVP, i've played many games with the feature and it and i never understood the fun behind it. That was the main reason i join this game, no PVP except for sanctioned spots and i liked that, no one to harass me into fighting them right there and then cause i outclamed them or stepped on there foot.

Personally i don't know sch so well and using it as a sub with summoner i'm not sure how well any enfeebling magic would work.

I have fun in this game working with others to achieve a goal which sometimes players forget about, I just love at times you can be shouting for some old content and people who have already done it join just to help. To me that is fun.

I also said in previous posts that i think they should open the stadium in WG and allow people to go at it. Hell even have spectator seats so we can throw flowers and gil at them at the end. Hell even randomly throw in a joker and have some NPC contender jump in.