[dev1135] Beastmaster 2-Hour Ability Comments After Testing.

[Xilk]

So they're changing Reraise to ..................... Stoneskin. fun!

you better put some [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags around that post.

SE will take you literally and baransu the ability to match your 'suggestion'

[Mnejing]

you better put some [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags around that post.

SE will take you literally and baransu the ability to match your 'suggestion'

Except its not sarcasm, its straight from the JP dev tracker.

[Calamity]

I like how stoneskin is replacing reraise instead of being added to it. I mean, not that I'd be any more likely to use it, but I mean come on, at least move it a half step closer to being a worthy 2hr instead of just making it unworthy for a completely different reason.

[Vandheer]

So they're changing Reraise to ..................... Stoneskin. fun!

you better put some [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags around that post.

SE will take you literally and baransu the ability to match your 'suggestion'

Except its not sarcasm, its straight from the JP dev tracker.

Like Mnejing said, it has been stated by a Japanese Dev and has yet to be put up by the English Devs. Link is bellow to the post.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...464#post351464

From what I got from my "lol translate" (on Google Translate) it goes on to say that they will replace reraise with Stoneskin and that the amount of Stoneskin provided with vary biased on how strong your pet is. Remember, since this is a translation it may not be 100% accurate.

With that in mind, it seems they are really getting into the idea of Beastmasters eating their pets with this new 2-hour. Different pets will give different variants of Stoneskin biased on what pet you eat... just like food gives different effects depending which food you eat even if its only a slight difference.

From what I understand from the translation this Stoneskin doesn't help Beastmaster any more then the Reraise effect because it doesn't change the scenario we would use it in. From the looks of it the Japanese players aren't fond of this either.

Lets hope the English post comes out soon so we can get a better grasp of just what this does.

[Calamity]

If they really want us to lose a pet for a 2hr why not just make it explode? Sure I still probably wouldn't use it, but it would be more useful and the novelty of it would be entertaining once or twice.

[Xilk]

Like Mnejing said, it has been stated by a Japanese Dev and has yet to be put up by the English Devs. Link is bellow to the post.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...464#post351464

Thanks for the link. Wow, I really should check the Japanese announcements more often. That was shocking... I REALLY thought it was a bad joke... I thought Hatcher was just throwing out the most useless alternative he could think of..

Wow. Google did fair job of translating also.
I'll finish it for you:

獣使い
HP回復、状態異常回復はそのままで、リレイズの効果→ストンスキンに変更します。
ストンスキンの効果量は呼び出したペットにより変化します。
獣使いの2Hアビリティは、使い魔がペットの攻撃面の底上げなのに対し、マスターの防御面を大幅に引き上げるという方向性で考えています。

Beastmaster
HP Restoration and status ailment restoration will remain unchanged; Reraise effect will be changed to stoneskin effect.
Stoneskin effectiveness will vary depending on called pet.
The idea forming beastmaster's new 2H ability is, in contrast to how familiar increase the pet's attack power, to increase the master's defense power.


Now this last line in the makes me a bit irritated for a different reason. That is, I've done a fair bit of testing on bst and I have not found how it increases pets attack power save for the new haste boost on the monster trousers +2. grrr... I think I have the basework though, so I might go do another test w/ familiar up to find out if it actually does affect pet's attack.

AS far as stoneskin goes... Well, it seems silly. It IS silly. but a 5k stoneskin (equal to pet hp) would actually be much more worthwhile and useful than the re-raise effect.

IF it were a rinky-dink stoneskin below 1k it would be pathetic and completely not worth it.

IF its less than the pet's max hp, its a rip-off. The pet pretty much already IS my stoneskin. Its the wall of damage between me and whatever I'm fighting. IF i sacrifice that wall for something less... its a net loss.

I'm glad they shared the idea behind it also. It does kinda have a contrast and balance. That is, familiar boosting pet attack vs cannibalize boosting master defense. attack balanced against defense, pet balanced against master... there is an elegance about it, design-wise... but it also makes me feel they approached it from the wrong direction.

They came from a top-down approach rather than a practical approach of what the job could use. It doesn't surprise me that developers wouldn't play their game enough to have a good practical approach. (I do work for a co. that has a software product which is developed. Plenty of users know alot more than devs about what would be useful).

Anyway. If you want balance... familiar improves pet attack. Let cannibalize improve master attack.
We are happy w/ the defense in the pet itself.
IF you want to buff master defense, the killer effects augment from gausape +2 is they coolest way to go. Make it related to a beastmaster's inherent killer effect and relationship to the beasts.
A supped up killer effect would be very cool.

[Vandheer]

K guys heres the official translation of the 2-hour tweek that was found in the Japanese threads. Xilk's translation was pretty spot on so props to Xilk.

Greetings!

The Development Team has returned from their summer break and has started preparing their responses in regards to all the feedback we have been receiving on the new 2-hour abilities.

To start off, I like to first share some changes that are being planned.

• Beastmaster
  We will be keeping the HP recovery and status ailment recovery as is, but we will be changing the reraise effect to a stoneskin effect. The strength of the stoneskin effect will vary depending on the pet. The idea is that Familiar will increase the pet’s offensive capabilities, while the new 2-hour ability will enhance the master’s defensive capability.

I am also happy they have shared with us their thinking for this 2-hour but the execution, in my opinion, is poor. When they get this out on the Test server if someone could test it for us and post results that would be great because the Stoneskin can vary very much.

Finally, I have one request when submitting feedback. We have been seeing comments stating that “we don’t want this” and “totally remake it.” Your feedback is something we wish to utilize in our efforts to make the game better, so instead please try to be as specific as you can with how you’d like it aspects to change.

Above Camate requests for us to be more specific with what we want this 2-hour to be. I would like to strongly urge everyone to use this thread to share your ideas for creating a 2-hour we would all approve off. To do this lets just spitball ideas and get the ball rolling and use likes to show the ideas we like best.

Lets fix this people.

[Kytan]

A special Reraise will be nice.
i.e. A Reraise with no weakness and no EXP loss.

Alternatively, a Stoneskin that absorbs the Pet's HP.
Pet's Max HP. Not Pet's current HP when 2 Hour is used.

Or just add the dev's proposed Stoneskin to the dev's originally proposed Reraise. Rather than make it just one or the other.

[Delvish]

Above Camate requests for us to be more specific with what we want this 2-hour to be. I would like to strongly urge everyone to use this thread to share your ideas for creating a 2-hour we would all approve off. To do this lets just spitball ideas and get the ball rolling and use likes to show the ideas we like best.

Lets fix this people.

Please read....well...every post/thread/comment relating to this two hour. All of the responses say it sucks, but at least half of the responses have alternatives. It is true that negativity stands out more, but we aren't not giving some constructive criticism, up to and including replacing the dev team.

[xbobx]

If you got equal stoneskin to the pets HP it wouldn't be too bad. Getting a 3k stoneskin could help you get away. Now if they would add fast run walk boots for bst.