FFXI fixed!

[Ragmar]

.......since when has FFXI ever been hard?

Also, if ya want to play without an "easy button" simply choose not to use Atma's/Cruor buffs/Temps/Atmacites for VW/Abyssea. Do Neo=nyzul without a SCH for Embrava. You may have suggested something like these things, but I'll bet damn near anything you use all of these things whenever you do these events.

Again, FFXI isn't hard, and anyone that has the gear earned it. It didn't magically show up in their DB's one day, barring bonanza winners.

The fact that you don't understand why doing abyssea without cruor buffs or NNI without embrava says a lot. You could do VW without atmacites but it would just prolong the inevitable which is you will either proc proc proc fanatics fanatics fanatics until its dead or run out of fanatics and die from being one shotted. Why is it wrong to want an event that requires 18 people who actually know how to play their jobs instead of an event which requires PD/Embrava/zergs. Besides I'm asking for 3 modes so gimps can still be gimps, average players can be average but also a system where you can do things like lock out 2 hours/temps and such for a chance to get slightly better rewards.

[Connavarr]

The fact that you don't understand why doing abyssea without cruor buffs or NNI without embrava says a lot. You could do VW without atmacites but it would just prolong the inevitable which is you will either proc proc proc fanatics fanatics fanatics until its dead or run out of fanatics and die from being one shotted. Why is it wrong to want an event that requires 18 people who actually know how to play their jobs instead of an event which requires PD/Embrava/zergs. Besides I'm asking for 3 modes so gimps can still be gimps, average players can be average but also a system where you can do things like lock out 2 hours/temps and such for a chance to get slightly better rewards.

You're asking for a challenge, yet when someone points out methods for you to have the very challenge you seek, that person doesn't understand it? As I said, this game is as easy or hard as the player wishes to make it. The variable difficulty you're seeking is right in front of you, use it if you so desire.

[Ragmar]

You're asking for a challenge, yet when someone points out methods for you to have the very challenge you seek, that person doesn't understand it? As I said, this game is as easy or hard as the player wishes to make it. The variable difficulty you're seeking is right in front of you, use it if you so desire.

And again you are missing the point. There is no challenge in abyssea without cruor buffs ... You would get one shotted left and right with all possible job buffs because the mobs damage output is designed around a WAR having 3000 HP not 1600. Somehow I fear myself and others could repeat this same point a thousand times and you would still fail to understand it. This might be a viable option if you recieved the HP from cruor buffs without getting the +50 to stats that also come with cruor buffs but you can't it's not an option. I guess you could argue using PD in abyssea to avoid getting one shotted but thats part of what I'd love to see SE go away from. I don't want to have to PD/Embrava/Zerg everything in game. I want challenges that require teamwork and players who know their jobs role in a party/alliance/setting. I want to fail if someone makes critical mistakes or atleast for it to be very hard to recover. Even at 75 with HNMs if a holding party messed up they would lose claim. I saw many a 10-12 man Faf go very badly from casting on darters. I'm not saying take anything away from easy mode players Id just like to see slightly better rewards for players who challenge themselves by not using Embrava/PD/Zerg/Temp items/non job buffs.

[Connavarr]

And again you are missing the point. There is no challenge in abyssea without cruor buffs ... You would get one shotted left and right with all possible job buffs because the mobs damage output is designed around a WAR having 3000 HP not 1600. Somehow I fear myself and others could repeat this same point a thousand times and you would still fail to understand it. This might be a viable option if you recieved the HP from cruor buffs without getting the +50 to stats that also come with cruor buffs but you can't it's not an option. I guess you could argue using PD in abyssea to avoid getting one shotted but thats part of what I'd love to see SE go away from. I don't want to have to PD/Embrava/Zerg everything in game. I want challenges that require teamwork and players who know their jobs role in a party/alliance/setting. I want to fail if someone makes critical mistakes or atleast for it to be very hard to recover. Even at 75 with HNMs if a holding party messed up they would lose claim. I saw many a 10-12 man Faf go very badly from casting on darters. I'm not saying take anything away from easy mode players Id just like to see slightly better rewards for players who challenge themselves by not using Embrava/PD/Zerg/Temp items/non job buffs.

Oh, really? It can't be done eh? I take it you haven't seen the vids of a melee RDM soloing Azdaja without any cruor buffs or atmas used. Try again.

Also, you need to realize it is the playerbase, not SE, that chooses to use the "easy button", the whole "optimal" set-up or don't bother. It is a fact that the players can beat Abyssea NM's without cruor buffs and atmas. It is a fact that the playerbase can achieve floor 100 clears in Neo-Nyzul without 4x pimped DD's and 2x SCH's for Embrava. It is a fact that the playerbase can beat VW NM's without atmacites/cruor buffs. It is also a fact that the playerbase CHOOSES to use these things, not for a challenge, but to increase the odds of winning. Or, ya know, we hit the "easy button" in order to quickly obtain the gear we desire.

You want a challenge? Stop hitting the easy button that's built in to damn near every event this game has. Stop using optimal set-ups for everything and you'll have the challenge you're after. It may take you longer to get 5/5 Nyzul gear, but you can in fact do it. Don't bitch to me about a lack of difficulty when it is the playerbase that are the ones using the button in the first place.

In regards to the rewards, what Trisscar said.

[Ragmar]

Oh, really? It can't be done eh? I take it you haven't seen the vids of a melee RDM soloing Azdaja without any cruor buffs or atmas used. Try again.

Also, you need to realize it is the playerbase, not SE, that chooses to use the "easy button", the whole "optimal" set-up or don't bother. It is a fact that the players can beat Abyssea NM's without cruor buffs and atmas. It is a fact that the playerbase can achieve floor 100 clears in Neo-Nyzul without 4x pimped DD's and 2x SCH's for Embrava. It is a fact that the playerbase can beat VW NM's without atmacites/cruor buffs. It is also a fact that the playerbase CHOOSES to use these things, not for a challenge, but to increase the odds of winning. Or, ya know, we hit the "easy button" in order to quickly obtain the gear we desire.

You want a challenge? Stop hitting the easy button that's built in to damn near every event this game has. Stop using optimal set-ups for everything and you'll have the challenge you're after. It may take you longer to get 5/5 Nyzul gear, but you can in fact do it. Don't bitch to me about a lack of difficulty when it is the playerbase that are the ones using the button in the first place.

In regards to the rewards, what Trisscar said.

You fail to understand why RDM can solo like that. If you think other jobs have that level of utility you are highly mistaken. WAR flat cant mitigate damage like that RDM. NIN can't either. Learn a little about RDM solo before you use it as a crutch to bolster your defense. Imma bet you are still on the lower tiers of VW if you think you are going to beat, lets say Bismark, without atmacite and temp items. Hell even with a lot of people still fail really hard on some VW NMs they arent all the joke nation T4's are.

[Demon6324236]

And again you are missing the point. There is no challenge in abyssea without cruor buffs ... You would get one shotted left and right with all possible job buffs because the mobs damage output is designed around a WAR having 3000 HP not 1600.

Bullshit. There is a great RDM on Odin who has soloed many Abyssea NMs without cruor buffs or atma, this is a RDM soloing. Your telling me you think partys of people couldn't kill them because of this? Just a few examples are him soloing Hedjedjet that way, and Azdaja. If he can kill these, which are some of the harder NMs in Abyssea, solo, without cruor buffs or atma, then just how hard would it be with a proper party?

Your 1st post said...

Perhaps lock 2 hours and non job buffs (atma/atmacite/temp items) to set the highest level removing the PD/Zerg which has become the only real end game strategy. This would perhaps bring back tanking, an aspect of the game that has become holding adds while others zerged.

Are you talking about new content that would be this way? Or some setting that just removed the ability to gain a bonus from these effects? If its the latter than

simply choose not to use Atma's/Cruor buffs/Temps/Atmacites for VW/Abyssea. Do Neo=nyzul without a SCH for Embrava.

And with that, you have exactly what you asked for, because you now do not have those. If things are so easy then make it harder on yourself. If you had a difficulty setting then it would be no different at all, you would still have the choice, use buffs, make things easier, or leave them out of the picture, and you can try to fight without them, and make it harder as you wish.

The idea of having better rewards is stupid, that just makes it sound like you want to have some "pro" gear so you can show it off and gloat about it. Rewards should be equal, if you simply want the game harder, so be it, you have the ability to make it harder, rewards should not be different because you choose to do so. You want the game to be more fun for those of which want it harder, thats exactly what you can do, but if its only for fun then the rewards should not make much difference in the end, your enjoyment is what should matter, thus it is what you should get.

As for this argument...

I said this in a previous post, and I'll say it again: There is a HUGE difference between hard content where you need to be an exceptional player to succeed, and purposefully gimping yourself to make content 'artificially' harder for you.

Not really, thats exactly what the OP made the idea sound like for the "hardcore" difficulty, that cruor buffs, atma, atmacite, Abyssite, and temp items, would be unavailable to the player. This simply means, don't use them, and ta da, you got what you asked for. As I said and pointed out earlier this post, people can solo Abyssea NMs, thats not to bad. People have soloed VWNMs as well, such as the Bastok T4, is it a T6 Jeuno? No, but thats where your lovely idea to come up with new strats comes in, work it, improvise! People solo what is talked about being uber hard in these threads without buffs, the simple thing is if people are soloing this, you can do it with a party and probably win if you get a good strat for it, but no one tries, because no one really wants it. You want them to weaken the NMs as well I suppose? Well that doesn't help because then your getting weaker NMs, and it becomes easier.



Short version:People solo what is supposedly to hard for a party to kill without super buffs, suck it up, you can have hard mode all you want already, its right there, just stop acting like it isn't an option.

[Arcon]

As for this argument...Not really, thats exactly what the OP made the idea sound like for the "hardcore" difficulty, that cruor buffs, atma, atmacite, Abyssite, and temp items, would be unavailable to the player. This simply means, don't use them, and ta da, you got what you asked for.

Wrong, it's not what we asked for and it's not the same. We want to be able to use the tools SE gives us. That's what the entire game is about. We want content tailored to us, not tailor ourselves to the content. SE is designing the game.

Harder gameplay should also be rewarded adequately. There should be an incentive to do so. Soloing NMs in Abyssea is fun, don't get me wrong. I even do so myself on THF and SMN. But it's definitely not the same. I get nothing out of it and I have no reason to do it other than boredom. That's what SE could (and should) do about it. Actually challenging content, that requires us to use whatever we have available to beat it. Not limiting ourselves artificially by allowing/disallowing what we can or can't do.

[Trisscar]

Harder gameplay should also be rewarded adequately.

Not happening, unless the new head hauncho has better vision than the old one.

[Demon6324236]

Wrong, it's not what we asked for and it's not the same. We want to be able to use the tools SE gives us. That's what the entire game is about. We want content tailored to us, not tailor ourselves to the content. SE is designing the game.

Perhaps lock 2 hours and non job buffs (atma/atmacite/temp items) to set the highest level removing the PD/Zerg which has become the only real end game strategy. This would perhaps bring back tanking, an aspect of the game that has become holding adds while others zerged.

Locking these means taking away what is given to you by SE in an attempt to make things harder. Thats exactly what it sounds like, in which case that is able to be done now.

[Arcon]

Locking these means taking away what is given to you by SE in an attempt to make things harder. Thats exactly what it sounds like, in which case that is able to be done now.

I don't agree fully with the OP either, I just said I think it's an interesting concept. Give people some incentive for trying harder. At least in his scenario that incentive wouldn't be missing.