Will there be camps in the new expansion?

[Trisscar]

I think they should make it that you can pop it using key item or pop items purchasable by points once per week. This way everyone who want to pop it can do it, but only once per week. Though they probably will make the drop luck based again and rare/ex otherwise these NMs will be abused in short time and most people will be done with them.

I have made a similar suggestion, where you trade trophies from lesser NM for an HNM tribute that allows you to entice them from hiding.

[FrankReynolds]

Someone nailed it in another thread and I can't find the post, so I'll just repeat it.

If you want the old HNM experience back, just take your whole shell to any VW Abysea or w/e ??? that you feel like. Have some one /random. If the random number is greater than 990, pop the monster and kill it. If the number is less than 990, wait 30 minutes and then have the person / random again. Repeat this process once every thirty minutes until you have gotten a number over 990, or 3 hours has passed. If after 3 hours you haven't rolled a 990, leave and come back tomorrow.

[Demon6324236]

Someone nailed it in another thread and I can't find the post, so I'll just repeat it.

If you want the old HNM experience back, just take your whole shell to any VW Abysea or w/e ??? that you feel like. Have some one /random. If the random number is greater than 990, pop the monster and kill it. If the number is less than 990, wait 30 minutes and then have the person / random again. Repeat this process once every thirty minutes until you have gotten a number over 990, or 3 hours has passed. If after 3 hours you haven't rolled a 990, leave and come back tomorrow.

1) Take your group and stand by the ??? of a pop NM.

2) alliance leader types /random

3) if you got 150 or less, he/she pops the NM

4) if you got 151 or more, you wait 30 mins and repeat steps 2-4

5) if after 3 hours (the 7th time you would /random) you haven't got under 150, you pop it anyway.

6) wait 21 hours from the ToD and repeat from 1)

I believe this is what you were looking for good sir.

[Damane]

Saying that everyone can't experience this is complete nonsense. Everyone has the opportunity to go to the camps, and compete. The game needs a sense of competition, and these events were one of the biggest competition driven events that also had the opportunity to yield some of the games best gear. I'm not saying all the best gear came or should come from camps, but quite a bit of it did, and should.

Because we all know how kings worked out riiiiight....
was there... done it for 3 years. no thx I am done with camping forever. Such shity endgame design should never be implemented anymore.

[SpankWustler]

One day, this topic and the "People-be-leeching-experience-yo" topic are going to breed. They're just meant for each other. I shudder to think what the child of that passionate and disgusting union will be.

This topic has been made about a dozen times. It's been locked a half-dozen of those times because there's not that much to discuss and thus both sides just started messing with each other. The Development Bros barely listen to anybody even when they ask for input, so I'm not sure what the point of making this topic again could be, other than just to mess with people.

If you actually want to camp Neo-Arch-Fafnir for hours and have the cleanest house on the block, I recommend appearing naked in whatever field the Development Bros are frolicking to celebrate their summer vacation and communicating your ideas through modern dance. That seems about their speed, and it doesn't involve making this damn topic again.

[Camiie]

Like VW, where you have a ~1% chance of getting an item you really need, but that guy that doesn't need it just got his 3rd?

At least with HNM gear went to people who could use/needed/wanted the item, rather than the crap shoot that VW is.

What does that have to do with monster spawn conditions? You can still have a common treasure pool without 21-72+ hour NM spawns. Or are you saying only the people who are willing to sit with their thumbs up their <Rear> for hours on end can use/want/need good gear.

[Plasticleg]

may altana bless spank for all of his posts.

that was a lot of martini

[Reiterpallasch]

I'd rather have something like ZNM, personally.

Oh and your argument is rendered invalid by the existence of DKP. Do try again.

Oops sorry "goes to people who earned it". Better?

I don't get why people don't understand that they can do both, similar to how some of the past HNM gear also dropped from events like einherjar. Just because the majority doesn't want something doesn't mean they can't please the rest as well. Pretty sure not very many people wanted bell commands/chocobo circuit/pankration/etc but we got it anyways.

Just because you fail at claiming and/or wouldn't know what to do with the mob if you got your hands on it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game.

Don't wanna camp HNM? Don't @#$%ing camp HNM.

[Trisscar]

Oops sorry "goes to people who earned it". Better?

No. This doesn't reward people who have 'earned' it, any more than any other event. If a person with useful jobs, geared appropriately, caped skills and is very helpful towards the shell but has two jobs, is a full time student and can't attend 100% they're naturally at a disadvantage over some jobless virgin with a huge sense of self entitlement living in their moms basement and can thus attend 100%...

But I suppose that appeals to you. Hmm, I wonder why that can be?

[Camiie]

Oops sorry "goes to people who earned it". Better?

"People who earned it" is rather subjective.

I don't get why people don't understand that they can do both, similar to how some of the past HNM gear also dropped from events like einherjar.

Einherjar wasn't always there. For YEARS, that gear was exclusive to HNM. If you couldn't or wouldn't do HNM you didn't have a shot at it. And, I've never seen Odin produce a Ridill or a D.ring, have you? Even now, stuff is generally still exclusive to the event it starts out with. Ok, AF3 seals do drop from other events, but I'm not seeing Legion gear in VW or Neo-Nyzul gear in WoE or vice versa.

Just because the majority doesn't want something doesn't mean they can't please the rest as well. Pretty sure not very many people wanted bell commands/chocobo circuit/pankration/etc but we got it anyways.

You're really comparing those things to what was once endgame?

Just because you fail at claiming and/or wouldn't know what to do with the mob if you got your hands on it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game.

Most of the people who despise HNM participated in it quite often and quite successfully. We don't hate it because we failed at it. We didn't fail at it. We hate it because it really, really sucked. It wasn't fun standing around waiting for something to happen.

Imagine standing around for 30minutes-3hours waiting for Bowser or Dr. Wily to randomly decide to show himself. Now imagine that Luigi or Proto Man are standing there along side you waiting to kill the boss themselves. If they touch it before you, you don't get your chance. The game then locks you out from trying again until 21 hours have passed. If you can't play during that window of time, you're just screwed until the next 21 hours have passed because somewhere in the ether your virtual rival and your main enemy are still going to be doing their thing.

Does that really sound like Game of the Year material to you?