Will there be camps in the new expansion?

[FrankReynolds]

A while back one of these threads popped up and someone said these things:

"Why do you want 24 hour pop HNMs back? So that me and my shell can dominate them with bots and force you to buy the items from us again? Fine, your loss."

and

"we used to claim kings even though we didn't need the items and then throw away the drops just to keep the selling prices high"

That is why I said:

Perhaps defeating them gives your character some shiny glow effect, or free warps to different outposts depending which ones that you have killed. Maybe a bunch of cool looking stuff to put on your farm.

No drops though. Absolutely nothing.

If my subscription fees are going to go towards something that most people will never get to experience, then it should be something that most people will not miss.

And to be clear, everyone does not have the opportunity to experience this.

People who have an HNM shell have the opportunity to stop playing the game and sit for 3~ hours a day doing nothing, while their character is in the proximity of others doing the same. At the end, one group gets the opportunity to experience this (18/2000 people currently logged on my server is < 1%) every 1-3 days.

That's just dumb. The insanity of telling your customers that you only have a few people to build content (despite the fact that the monthly bill has remained the same) and then having those few people design content that less than %1 of the players can actually enjoy is off the charts.

[hiko]

Saying that everyone can't experience this is complete nonsense. Everyone has the opportunity to go to the camps, and compete.

no, some people cant because pop window doesnt match their playing window.

There is a very big difference between 21-24 hour HNMs, 48-72 hour HNMs, and 3-5 Day HNMs.

The 21-24 hour HNMs, a 10 minute (if it pops first window), to a 3 hour (if it pops final window) event. Guess what else was a 10min-3hour event? Every other event in the game. Between windows you can do other stuff. You don't actually have to sit at your screen staring at it.

when i can play 4h a day i dont want to spent up to 3h not playing.
every other event started when we scheduled it to start.

I'm not saying every event should be Kings, but they were a really fun part of the game that added a lot.

no it was a boring event that only added the drop people get, and thousand of $ to people who made claimbots.

we cant say X event is fun/boring because what is fun is not universal.

i don't mind if they add HNM, and just hope that they are not on stupiud window


my idea for an world pop HNM: server status on window state
closed(no time min/max)
soon 30min-1h
opened 0-1h

[Aarahs]

You see a majority of players don't want HNMs. I see a full third of players do want them, more than enough for SE to implement them with desired drops. When your play window closes, it's opening for someone else.

[FrankReynolds]

You see a majority of players don't want HNMs. I see a full third of players do want them, more than enough for SE to implement them with desired drops. When your play window closes, it's opening for someone else.

Those people want them back so that they can bot them and keep all the loot from everyone else. That behavior should never be promoted in a game.

[Zhronne]

Those people want them back so that they can bot them and keep all the loot from everyone else. That behavior should never be promoted in a game's open world areas, but only in instanced ones like Uncharted Nyzul Isle where everybody can hack without the fear of getting caught and then get 15/15 within a few runs, only to complain after that all the other gear added in game sucks compared to Nyzul and they have nothing else to do in-game.

FTFY!!
(lol)

I guess it doesn't apply to all of the players, but it certainly does to the great majority! :P

[Bigrob33]

It would just be nice if the dev team would answer the people that keep posting on this topic. I mean the train wreck that always ends up happening in these threads are entertain for sure. But really it would be nice to squash this debate and wait for new topic for ppl to flame about.

[Catmato]

The right way to do HNM:
Make them respawn at a completely random time. Could be one minute, could be three days, could be 8 months. Makes more sense for the most "elusive" enemies to not show up on a schedule.

Edit 1: Oh, and put it in an abyssea-like area with a time limit so you can't have mules afk-ing at it.
Fake edit 2: Ooh, and let it pop in multiple zones like that ala DI and SW so it's even harder to bot.

[Sparthos]

It should pop in Port Jeuno so all the AFKers hogging up my screen and lagging me can scurry out of the zone while the pros handle it.

[Trisscar]

The right way to do HNM:

Don't do it.

Fixed that for you.

[Luvbunny]

I think they should make it that you can pop it using key item or pop items purchasable by points once per week. This way everyone who want to pop it can do it, but only once per week. Though they probably will make the drop luck based again and rare/ex otherwise these NMs will be abused in short time and most people will be done with them.