Relic and Empyrean jobs that can use them.

[Zhronne]

They are good, but worth 600Mil on a single jobs weapon?

The value of items and the value of gil is a very subjective thing.
If it's my opinion you ask, I would have no doubts in saying that no, it's absolutely not worth.
But I guess everybody has the right to see this differently according to the value they give to all these things :P

If we're comparing level 99 weapons that's the approximate cost for them
Relic: 180mils
Mythic: 600mils
Empyreal: 250mils
Only big difference I can see is in the post 75 trials, the Mythic ones are very easy and you can get to lv99 with little effort. Last trial you can farm on your own and then pug, there's not a big market for those items, wether you want to buy them or sell them.
Relic trials are easy up to 95, but you need roughly 65 more mils for the last trial. Much harder to pug this step compared to Mythic. There is quite a decent market for these items no matter if you want to sell or buy.
With Empy you get basically stuck at 90, following two steps are worth roughly ~180mils and ~60mils respectively.

We'll see what happens with the Salvo reform later this year, but I doubt they'll go THAT far. What I expect is for alex price to go down to 400mils at best.

And yeah, I forgot Ryunohige as well, it's supposedly the best DRG polearm if I recall?

[Nala]

If you meant Mythics, not worth making a Mythic right now for most jobs. Only Mythics worth making are PUP & WHM, if they fix Mythics, Ill get right on that.

Eh i was under impression that the ryunohige (dragon's wisker/mustache/beard) is quite potent along with the GKT (i can never spell it right from memory) thats at 99 however which once you are past the alex and quest lines is relatively easy.

[kyomi]

Anyone saving over 100 tp is dumb.

Don't think that has anything to do with what they were relaying with the post. If anything it was to show how litle a difference it would make in a dnc's hand over a thf. If anything in most cases,outside of pdif or dDex, the weapons are virtually the same, the ws have similar pitfalls with the only decernable fact being odd aftermath compared to hidden effect. Even then that point can quikly become moot when insimilar situations an individual smart enough to use rudra at 300% then spam exent will quickly out parse the mandau wielding counter part.

Anyone comparing the daggers for utility function can't see where this unbalance is coming from. Similar equiped dnc using a mandau compaered to a thf is moot when outside of stacked with ja the ws is absolute trash compared to exent spam. Dnc will just have the option of not needing a ws to see the hidden dmg which can be overtaken by emp aftermath very easy...especially in zerg situations or low time high d output spurts. I think someone even did some calculations that showed that odd already trumps relic hidden in most any situation aside from times when you can't activate aftermath.....which is rare if ever.

[Fupafighter]

moonshade earring and tp bonus fusetto say hi
although STR thokcha is pretty powerful so its a moot point
edit: and 300% tp from dusty wings in voidwatch

I'll say it again, saving over 100 tp is pointless. If you get the extra tp, so be it, but damn just ws whenever you get it.

[Fupafighter]

Dnc isn't going to get mandau. It really is too powerful. Throw a dnc and thf into a lowman situation and I guarentee that dnc wins with just twash 90.

[Byrth]

Dnc isn't going to get mandau. It really is too powerful. Throw a dnc and thf into a lowman situation and I guarentee that dnc wins with just twash 90.

How is it "too powerful?" How do you even determine what is "too powerful?" You say the job is "too powerful" because it can beat a THF's damage in lowman situations. Well, SE has repeatedly insisted that THF's primary utility is Treasure Hunter, so I think it's stupid to use their damage as the upper limit of what power is reasonable.

I say that DNC isn't "too powerful" because it doesn't rival Monk unless you're fighting something Piercing weak in lowman situations. Giving us Mandau isn't going to suddenly make the job more useful or more used. It's just going to give me something to blow my gil on for a month or two.

[Fupafighter]

How is it "too powerful?" How do you even determine what is "too powerful?" You say the job is "too powerful" because it can beat a THF's damage in lowman situations. Well, SE has repeatedly insisted that THF's primary utility is Treasure Hunter, so I think it's stupid to use their damage as the upper limit of what power is reasonable.

I say that DNC isn't "too powerful" because it doesn't rival Monk unless you're fighting something Piercing weak in lowman situations. Giving us Mandau isn't going to suddenly make the job more useful or more used. It's just going to give me something to blow my gil on for a month or two.

I just feel in lowman situations w.o relying on other peoples buffs, that dnc is just superior as is. My dnc with just 85 twash destroys basically all but heavy DD, and has the utility to take no damage the whole time too. Mandau just seems like it would be unbalanced. More power to dnc though I guess >.>

[FrankReynolds]

I just feel in lowman situations w.o relying on other peoples buffs, that dnc is just superior as is. My dnc with just 85 twash destroys basically all but heavy DD, and has the utility to take no damage the whole time too. Mandau just seems like it would be unbalanced. More power to dnc though I guess >.>

Why wouldn't your dnc destroy everything but heavy DD? WHat else is there? mages?

[Demon6324236]

Why wouldn't your dnc destroy everything but heavy DD? WHat else is there? mages?

RDM THF PLD BST RNG NIN BLU PUP

[FrankReynolds]

RDM THF PLD BST RNG NIN BLU PUP

Is there some reason that any of those jobs should deal better damage? they all appear to be hybrid jobs with (somewhat lame) other roles besides DD just like dancer.