Relic and Empyrean jobs that can use them.

[Kitkat]

Twashtar and Mandau are identical in delay/dmg by 99 making the only outstanding difference between the two is that one has +20dex and unique WS rudra's storm, the other has +40att, poison add effect (big whoop) and hidden 3x dmg at ~13% proc on first hit of every round with the weapon.

Now lets compare: Mercy stroke +40% dmg mildly beats out Rudra's storm only when used at 100~200%, at 200+ Rudra's comes out the victor. As stated before the 3x damage hidden procs only on first hit of every round making it only a 13% proc if there is no da/ta hits and becomes lower if you base it on attacks rather than round, Aftermath of Rudra's procs on all hits of the weapon and is ODD. One it str based, other is dex based....and both suck a good deal without forced crit hit abilities. Last but not least, in offhand +20 dex still works.....for mandau not a god damn thing works it is just a 55dmg/178delay dagger

As far as I'm concerned, but 99 these weapons are equal in overall utility. I'm not sure how this will make a dnc stronger than a thf given the fact it is roughly the exact same thing as emp just has more restrictions on it.

[Fupafighter]

Anyone saving over 100 tp is dumb.

[Dawnn]

Anyone saving over 100 tp is dumb.

moonshade earring and tp bonus fusetto say hi
although STR thokcha is pretty powerful so its a moot point
edit: and 300% tp from dusty wings in voidwatch

[Kojo]

Still no response from a Rep... Pooey!

[Winrie]

I hope they do reply, with a thread lock, there's way too many tears here, crying will change nothing, nor will excessive bitching. Make empys, that's what they were designed for, so everyone could have an ultimate weapon.

[Kojo]

I hope they do reply, with a thread lock, there's way too many tears here, crying will change nothing, nor will excessive bitching. Make empys, that's what they were designed for, so everyone could have an ultimate weapon.

Except they said the new jobs won't have access to Empys.

[Demon6324236]

I hope they do reply, with a thread lock, there's way too many tears here, crying will change nothing, nor will excessive bitching. Make empys, that's what they were designed for, so everyone could have an ultimate weapon.

If you meant Mythics, not worth making a Mythic right now for most jobs. Only Mythics worth making are PUP & WHM, if they fix Mythics, Ill get right on that.

[sc4500]

So SE said in a interview that Geo and Rune fencer will not be able to use Relics and Empyrean weapons.

Either way the issue as a whole.

Firstly DNC and SCH

These 2 jobs fit the lore of relic weapons massively so i really think at the least DNC should be able to use mandau and SCH should be able to use club or staff

Now PUP COR and BLU

All 3 Weapons wouldn't make any of the jobs overpowered but the gun would help COR alot when wildfire (it's prome source of DMG) isn't available either way i think BLU is a skilled enough swordsman to weild an Excalibur and COR gunman to weild Annihilator and PUP worth enough to wield the hand 2 hand.

Finally GEO and RUN

They definitely should have the option to wield empyrean the gsd emp and staff emp arn't ground breaking weapons so i see no reason why they shouldn't have emps

Then Relics well it depends w/ the above if BLU COR and PUP get access so should GEO and RUN

Honestly only having mythics as a final weapon is kinda sad


In summary my suggestion is this

There should a be a relic and empyrean for every job in the game

Simple part is square is to lazy to just dupe there own items (that people are hacking and doing there work for them) and add a few stats, and they like to give the players a run about , only thing we got hope is on the new producer is keen on stuff and understands the player base. I bet it is the Ps2 limits holding this game back for the next 10 yrs.

I hate say this but skyrim got a million times more graphics power then ff11 when using on the xbox or the pc.

[Zhronne]

If you meant Mythics, not worth making a Mythic right now for most jobs. Only Mythics worth making are PUP & WHM, if they fix Mythics, Ill get right on that.

Well I wouldn't be so hasty on Mythics. Let's leave aside for a second the very important factor that atm they're over 600mils each and a ton of other work.
With this premise, remember that they got patched, the 300% TP bonus is much more powerful now, and the mythic WS got two buffs on the way to 99.
Death Penalty is not that bad.
Terpsichore is a nice weapon I thought? DD-wise probably not as good as a Twashtar, but overall it's a nice weapon (and it looks good!)
Glanzfaust is, imho, a highly underestimated and under-tested weapon. It has some great potential and in some situations it can imho easily surpass Spharai and Verethragna.
Conqueror was always considered to be an awesome Great Axe I thought?
Kogarasumaru hasn't been thoroughfully tested either, but now that SAMs can use Shoha it could potentially be the best sam GKT out of the three.
Leviathan too is the best staff for Meteor, and with aftermath up I think it's slightly better than lv99 magian staves? (and inventory +7!)
Nirvana is a fantastic weapon for SMN.
Aymur is, well, try to say the name close to a BST and see how they react :P
Burtgang is... uh... it would be an excellent weapon in theory, it's just that atm PLD, the role it's supposed to cover and the way it's supposed to cover it are all broken.
A PLD who wants to tank these days would probably gain better benefit from an Almace's CDC and the damage it does (with the consequent enmity). Also, Atonement used to be awesome at 75 but since then SE appearently added a lot of stuff that resists Atonement damage =/ Now if requiescat was as awesome as CDC things could be different, but alas it's not the case.

So yeah, imho there are quite a bit of really nice Mythic weapons.

[Demon6324236]

They are good, but worth 600Mil on a single jobs weapon? Not imo. Actually I did forget DRG's though, so far as I know it kicks ass just like PUP's, I am not a WHM person but I see WHM Mythics all over the place by compare so I figure they are probably good too. Anything else I have either never seen at all or doesn't look worth 600Mil to me.