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    Quote Originally Posted by Modoru View Post
    Honestly "gathering groups" for party used to be very specific to certain jobs [eg, it was pretty hard for me to obtain a party as Thief unless I made it, and even then I had problems on occasion because I couldn't find a white mage, or a DD, or a tank, among other problems], and the grind to 75 wasn't a complete issue, it was fun to an extent, sure.

    However: Meripo was tedious, admit it. Grinding on birds for ridiculous skillchains is as fun as grabbing dolls in altepa, except mages can do the damage instead of just DDs. The "endgame" for FFXI was stripped to the "elite few", where most of the player base was excluded, in linkshells that had an exorbitant amount of drama, flawed "lot point" systems, unrealistic entrance requirements [aka, you needed to have a decent amount of gear before coming in], and very, very corrupt leaders. Abyssea pretty much allowed everyone else to play on an equal standing and have a chance at good gear -- the "elites" just learned how to do it in lower numbers.

    Abyssea wasn't a curse to this game -- it was instead, a boon, because it brought a breath of life to this game once more, facilitating a tedious process for newcomers and certain older players, allowing for more dynamic play and a faster pace.

    I admit, it fell flat with the proc system -- it made many jobs obsolete, but other than that, it was still a decent design.

    That said, these are just my opinions, but I highly disagree about abyssea being a problem.

    Also: I'm pretty sure the reason why there's less people today isn't because of abyssea, but instead because the game is already past the decade milestone, and a lot of people got bored, or just moved onto something else, not because of abyssea.
    Can we please mention how my post and others in the first page were completely ignored because they seemingly entirely outdid their argument? Anyone? Please? Like, no counterarguments here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merton9999 View Post
    In any case I don't even think your extension fails. If SE offered a faster leveling method than Abyssea I'd gladly take it, just like I'd teleport to Disneyworld if I could. The reason is that I know when I get there that I'll enjoy the real experience I'm looking for.
    What you don't understand about the 'trip to Disneyworld' is, is as far as the game goes, the trip itself is a game for some. And why not? Why doesn't that much deserve to be a part of the content if possible?

    Although we disagree, it's been a pleasure to debate this with you, unlike the rest of these guys.
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    Because while you might want to take a car for eight hours to get there. Sitting in one spot for that long, hungry and in need of a bathroom totally isn't me. I prefer the two hour flight so I can get there earlier and enjoy myself longer. Why won't that get across to you? If no one wants to take the car with you so there's no one to take shifts driving so it takes you longer and your trip is further cut short, then so be it. But your not allowed to just stamp your feet and yell at me that I'm not allowed to take a flight that I have to pay for just like you pay for the gas to drive across country.

    Make any sense now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Keyword: Expedited. There was a tempo set a long time ago as far as rate of progression that in recent times has been replaced with a fast-forward button. If people didn't like that pace, they should have gone back to WoW and stayed there.
    Now it sounds like you're assuming everyone who plays FF11 instead of WoW does so because they liked 2001-2009 leveling speed.

    I personally quit WoW because I found the lore, world and visual design boring/uninteresting/stupid. I can't say I miss the leveling speed from oldschool FF11 at all, but I do think that being stuck in a book alliance is pretty boring. It would have been more exciting if they gave us more varied methods to level up faster.

    Using lolWoW as some sort of insult doesn't really make much sense. WoW did a lot of things right, but the few things that I personally didnt think they did right is what brought me back to FF11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Keyword: Expedited. There was a tempo set a long time ago as far as rate of progression that in recent times has been replaced with a fast-forward button. If people didn't like that pace, they should have gone back to WoW and stayed there.
    That's hardly valid? What's wrong with having a somewhat accelerated rate of progression? All it means is, you get to enjoy newer and more end-game content? FFXI is not, by any means, a WoW clone, and a faster grind does not make it similar in any way. The game is still rich with content, including missions, quests, gear hunting, etc, and you could never compare it to WoW. I have never played the game [at least, not by my own will], so why should I suddenly have to abide to your opinions as if they were a rule, and "go back to WoW"?
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    Ya know, I gotta wonder if the new producer is actually reading all this, I mean I know its not likely but~... never know. :x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Ya know, I gotta wonder if the new producer is actually reading all this, I mean I know its not likely but~... never know. :x
    Quick, hide your torches and pitchforks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modoru View Post
    Quick, hide your torches and pitchforks!
    Psh~ I would raise them higher, show how much we do not like this idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modoru View Post
    Can we please mention how my post and others in the first page were completely ignored because they seemingly entirely outdid their argument? Anyone? Please? Like, no counterarguments here?
    Because it is almost entirely composed of your opinion, and you have a right to it. You presented it well and without insults. All I can say is "I disagree".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Because it is almost entirely composed of your opinion, and you have a right to it. You presented it well and without insults. All I can say is "I disagree".
    It's become more then just opinion at this point. You need removed from posting or this thread needs locked because the only thing you've been doing is spamming this topic arguing with everyone just to argue. You're the oddball posting.

    You lost long ago and continue to reply to everyone. It doesn't matter what they say you can't leave any comments unreplied. This single topic has taking your post count from two all the way into the 80's. This isn't normal when the topic is a flip'pen dead horse. Obviously, you are enjoying the attention. In fact, by what you said already you've made it clear that the majority doesn't want you to represent their interest.

    On that note.

    The intelligence of the developers reading this topic would only need to read a few post to come to the conclusion that you're nuts with an emotional selfish agenda. They'd also realize your just blowing wind to bump your topic. In any case if you haven't figured it out yet, even though you are getting this attention, gaining post count and keeping the topic bumped. The developer will have already concluded that no relevance is left in reading further.

    Keep wasting your time the only thing you're doing is making the developers/playerbase ignore you more. Ignore as in realizing your post hold noting of value other then the thrill of arguing. In the amount of time you wasted on this topic you could've leveled RDM to 62 your slow way.
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    Last edited by Sarick; 08-06-2012 at 03:13 AM.
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