[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[0nionKn1ght]

Players: We want something!
SE: You can't have it.
Players: WE DEMAND A REASON!
SE: Here is the reason we have for you.
Players: WE DONT WANT THIS REASON IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND HERE ARE 134 POSTS AS TO WHY!
SE: Ok then. So?
Players: If THIS was a car and we bought shoes from a pokemon master on the moon in accordance to american legislature we would be ENTITLED to a refund and we demand 10 years of payments returned now!
SE: Yeah....no.

I honestly get the feeling some people in this game don't know what they want, and also don't know how an issue that has been around for 10 years is only now causing some people in this thread to lay an egg at how angry they are. The rest of us just make do or work around it. Why you feel the need to blow a gasket is beyond me. You people (not all, some of you seem lovely to be honest) need to chill the heck out and calm down. Life is bigger than a 10 year old game no one plays anymore.

[Demon6324236]

Life is bigger than a 10 year old game no one plays anymore.

Blasphemy!

No really tho, its not just now that people have been complaining about macros or saying something about it. People have complained for a long~ time, myself I don't say much unless its a thread like this where people talk about it because it feels like a waste of time. SE does not stop Windower users very effectively, and SE does not do what needs to be done to give people a reason to stop using it. Simple way to say it is SE is not willing to fix their game in a way players wont go to 3rd parties for features SE refuses to add.

The only hope is that the new UI which is PC only is a response to Windower. If it adds enough and is open enough for people to use it well, and makes Windower unneeded then SE will do a good job. Or they can just as easily mess it up and get nothing from it except more people saying they have no idea what they are doing and that they support the use of 3rd party programs via doing nothing to stop them.

[FrankReynolds]

Players: We want something!
SE: You can't have it.
Players: WE DEMAND A REASON!
SE: Here is the reason we have for you.
Players: WE DONT WANT THIS REASON IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND HERE ARE 134 POSTS AS TO WHY!
SE: Ok then. So?
Players: If THIS was a car and we bought shoes from a pokemon master on the moon in accordance to american legislature we would be ENTITLED to a refund and we demand 10 years of payments returned now!
SE: Yeah....no.

I honestly get the feeling some people in this game don't know what they want, and also don't know how an issue that has been around for 10 years is only now causing some people in this thread to lay an egg at how angry they are. The rest of us just make do or work around it. Why you feel the need to blow a gasket is beyond me. You people (not all, some of you seem lovely to be honest) need to chill the heck out and calm down. Life is bigger than a 10 year old game no one plays anymore.

Cool kids don't care about anything right?

Too bad this is a forum full of MMO Players. No cool kids here. We care about this game enough to not only pay for it, but post in the suggestion forums as well, and so do you.

There are millions of examples of things in the world that "work fine" but get replaced every day. Playing football worked fine, but I prefer FFXI. The macro system has needed updating for a very long time now. The game has outgrown it.

SE is basically saying "Helmets are not allowed in the rules, and we're not going to make helmets... but we don't actually have any means / reason to enforce the rules, so all you people without helmets are about to get F***ed up. Have fun guys "

[0nionKn1ght]

Cool kids don't care about anything right?

Too bad this is a forum full of MMO Players. No cool kids here. We care about this game enough to not only pay for it, but post in the suggestion forums as well, and so do you.

There are millions of examples of things in the world that "work fine" but get replaced every day. Playing football worked fine, but I prefer FFXI. The macro system has needed updating for a very long time now. The game has outgrown it.

SE is basically saying "Helmets are not allowed in the rules, and we're not going to make helmets... but we don't actually have any means / reason to enforce the rules, so all you people without helmets are about to get F***ed up. Have fun guys "

The reasoning isn't the problem. If you want to make suggestions then more power to you, but when you are told why it won't happen, this doesn't give you the right to start snarling and foaming at the mouth. The issue is a moot point anyways, as they keep saying it's not going to happen, the same as how they categorically said every patch that the level cap was never going to raise from 75, so drop it and move on.

There is no problem with making suggestions, but nothing gives anyone the right to be a complete tool about it in the process.

[Arcon]

The reasoning isn't the problem. If you want to make suggestions then more power to you, but when you are told why it won't happen, this doesn't give you the right to start snarling and foaming at the mouth. The issue is a moot point anyways, as they keep saying it's not going to happen, the same as how they categorically said every patch that the level cap was never going to raise from 75, so drop it and move on.

There is no problem with making suggestions, but nothing gives anyone the right to be a complete tool about it in the process.

And how were/are we being tools, exactly?

[0nionKn1ght]

And how were/are we being tools, exactly?

I wouldn't be surprised if that was their reasoning, seeing as how their reasoning is almost always wrong.

You know, SE can be so ostrich-like at times, it's not funny.

You can't seriously tell us you don't know that a large number , possibly the majority by now, of PC players use the universally-known third-party add-on that makes swapping entire gear for every attack possible using a single key; many use it just for a decent macro capability, not the pseudo-botting it also allows.

Yet you stubbornly refuse to accept this fact and provide an official means of doing this for the minority (I expect) of PC players who don't want to cheat and those playing on consoles where such cheating isn't allowed.

/shakeshead

Personally I don't need that capability but it would be nice to have for occasional use, but I also recognise that many people think is absolutely required for tackling the high-end end-game content. The fact vast numbers have that because they're willing to cheat isn't fair to the rest who aren't; even FFXIV has a more usable macro system, how about even implementing THAT???

Those 2 posts alone are pretty arrogant and "tooly", and thats just on this page of the thread. Call out as much as you want, in my opinion I think a good chunk of the people posting here are vile, but there seem to be some nice people to it kind of balances. There is a group of 3 of you in particular that seem to serve only to derail threads and troll, Cidbahamut and Zerich being 2 of the constant offenders.

[FrankReynolds]

The reasoning isn't the problem. If you want to make suggestions then more power to you, but when you are told why it won't happen, this doesn't give you the right to start snarling and foaming at the mouth. The issue is a moot point anyways, as they keep saying it's not going to happen, the same as how they categorically said every patch that the level cap was never going to raise from 75, so drop it and move on.

There is no problem with making suggestions, but nothing gives anyone the right to be a complete tool about it in the process.

I don't see anyone foaming at the mouth. I know it's hard to gauge a persons level of interest by reading something on a forum, but I think that you are misconstruing long articulate posts for "foaming at the mouth". In real life I use the F-word every chance I get in the course of normal conversation. I tone everything way the hell back for these forums. I promise, If I am ever foaming at the mouth (I doubt that will ever happen over something someone said on the interwebz), you will know by the long string of deleted posts and locked threads.

Back on topic: I wasn't told "why it won't happen". If you read my first response to it, I pointed out that the response they gave was not addressing the request made by the OP. What they said was only vaguely related to what he asked for, and the reason they gave is "It's just always been like that."

That line of reasoning coming from your parents when you are seven is infuriating, but most people at the age of seven, are not articulate enough to point out the flaws in that logic. We are all grown ups for the most part. I stay up as late as I want playing FFXI nowadays. My mom can call and say I have to go to bed at 9 "Because I said so!", but I ain't gonna listen because I own this house. And that is exactly what FFXI players are doing.

You either make the game the way the players want it, or they take matters into their own hands and either cheat or quit. It's lose / lose when a company ignores obvious design flaws.

[SpankWustler]

Since day one, I've always assumed macros are the way they are due to console hardware limitations or attempts to control how much data moves to and fro or some other technical thing I barely understand. Maybe it would just take entirely too much time to do anything.

That's totally understandable. A company is a company and sometimes things take priority over how a game plays. Particularly when that game is on multiple platforms. It isn't like players haven't found a way to work around this issue themselves.

Suddenly, like a bolt from the brown, here comes an explanation that may not involve anything technical. It's hard to tell.

The idea that "This is what I did and I did it on purpose." can be a reason just bothers me on an ideological level. Even emotional reasons such as "because I like him" or "because I hate her" are much more informative.

I guess I'd pee in her coffee too, if I hated her that much, and I'm not her so I'm in no danger. Carry on, baleful urine dispenser! My mind is sated!

I definitely feel a bit ridiculous applying this or any other ideal to something so frivolous, but on the other hand, spending three minutes to type something isn't a huge investment of time or emotion.

[0nionKn1ght]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was their reasoning, seeing as how their reasoning is almost always wrong. They don't seem to realize that it still happens, only it forces people press three macros instead of one.

You know, SE can be so ostrich-like at times, it's not funny.

You can't seriously tell us you don't know that a large number , possibly the majority by now, of PC players use the universally-known third-party add-on that makes swapping entire gear for every attack possible using a single key; many use it just for a decent macro capability, not the pseudo-botting it also allows.

Yet you stubbornly refuse to accept this fact and provide an official means of doing this for the minority (I expect) of PC players who don't want to cheat and those playing on consoles where such cheating isn't allowed.

/shakeshead

Personally I don't need that capability but it would be nice to have for occasional use, but I also recognise that many people think is absolutely required for tackling the high-end end-game content. The fact vast numbers have that because they're willing to cheat isn't fair to the rest who aren't; even FFXIV has a more usable macro system, how about even implementing THAT???

Just ignore the trollOnionKnight and be done with it. I recognized this the first time he responded to my "They're back" topic in general with something snark, useless and outright rude. The truth is it's easier to make excuses then it is to fix something and this topic implies that excuses are the driving force behind fixing those things.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you, and your thread didn't seem to serve a point, only to chicken little over something that has been the case for years.

The continued point is that if it's not fixed by now, then it's most likely never going to see a change, however as I mentioned above, they said the same thing week in, week out about the 75 cap, and now here we are using Convert on Summoner, and casting Refresh on Black Mage.

The problem is that players seem to think that harping on about the same issue again and again will change something, when all it needs is one thread and one post, and it's noted. Droning on and on about it just winds yourselves up.

Also, I am amused at so far how pretty much all of us have called each trolls at least once in this thread.

Troll is not =/= someone who disagrees with your points

[cidbahamut]

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you, and your thread didn't seem to serve a point, only to chicken little over something that has been the case for years.

It's a serious flaw in the game's design that has been in desperate need of attention for years. Just because something is the status quo does not mean that it is in any way an acceptable state of affairs.

The continued point is that if it's not fixed by now, then it's most likely never going to see a change, however as I mentioned above, they said the same thing week in, week out about the 75 cap, and now here we are using Convert on Summoner, and casting Refresh on Black Mage.

The problem is that players seem to think that harping on about the same issue again and again will change something, when all it needs is one thread and one post, and it's noted. Droning on and on about it just winds yourselves up.

So you're advocating complacency in the face of the developers blatantly ignoring critical issues that the playerbase brings to their attention?