[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[Rosina]

Acron you post or read the ffxiv forums yes?
thats pretty much what they replied to gear swaping requests.
But i'm all with you guys... we should have AT LEAST more macro lines.

>.> i may not gear swap but I do rp up my macros (which are done via echo)

[Babekeke]

The funny thing to me is that the community reps here all play or used to play FFXI anyway... and I'll bet money that they did/do use windower, so they completely understand what we're saying.

>.> i may not gear swap but I do rp up my macros (which are done via echo)

Worst...

Argument...

Ever! (but at least you use /echo and not /say I guess)

[SpankWustler]

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

The words "policies" and "rule" give me the impression that the horribly limited design of macros has less to do with Final Fantasy XI being a decade-old PS2 game and more to do with the Development Bros being eccentrics. This frightens me.

Also, many players often totally understand that things are intended to be one way. A lot of us can still feel strongly that the aforementioned one way is awful and dumb.

Telling us, "Yeah, the Development Bros meant to run full-tilt into you while holding scissors in both hands exactly at crotch-level!" doesn't do much other than confirm that we weren't just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong pants.

[Arcon]

Acron you post or read the ffxiv forums yes?

Neither.

thats pretty much what they replied to gear swaping requests.

And as such, you may have anticipated it. But it doesn't make the reply any more valid.

[Kraggy]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

You know, SE can be so ostrich-like at times, it's not funny.

You can't seriously tell us you don't know that a large number , possibly the majority by now, of PC players use the universally-known third-party add-on that makes swapping entire gear for every attack possible using a single key; many use it just for a decent macro capability, not the pseudo-botting it also allows.

Yet you stubbornly refuse to accept this fact and provide an official means of doing this for the minority (I expect) of PC players who don't want to cheat and those playing on consoles where such cheating isn't allowed.

/shakeshead

Personally I don't need that capability but it would be nice to have for occasional use, but I also recognise that many people think is absolutely required for tackling the high-end end-game content. The fact vast numbers have that because they're willing to cheat isn't fair to the rest who aren't; even FFXIV has a more usable macro system, how about even implementing THAT???

[Dragoy]

Many have already said it but...

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

And thus, the majority (very likely) uses external sources to get help with it, or cheat, if you will.

Working as... intended?
I am afraid there is no understanding whatsoever here. ^^;

I, for one, never even tried such helpers even though I play on a PC. I would, however, be happy with even something as simple as more lines, or more functions added per one line. I don't even use the most efficient equipment for everything possible. Usually I have just 2 macros per set, but when there are two or three for everything such as for gaining TP, for when executing weapon skills, for magic and/or physical damage reduction, for certain job abilities, for magic... the list goes on and on, it's not exactly fun any longer.

And that's just for gear! I don't use the macro-system for abilities, except for 'Meditate'. For everything else, I use the menu-system, even if that may be a bit slower. (No, not the clickety-click menu, I mean short-cuts for magic list that is by default ctrl+m or alt+m, and ctrl+w or alt+w for weapon skills, ctrl+j... and so on.)

What makes it even less fun, are the delays and sometimes the unresponsiveness of the system which will make even using just two macros one after another very annoying, creating a broken feel to the game. If you don't want players to use macros to change equipment during combat, then either delete all or most of the current equipment, and create new that can be used at all times without losing on efficiency, or, create more efficient ways to execute macros and/or change equipment. :]

It is quite amazing (not in a good way, mind you!) how the system is adamantly being kept as is, while it obviously promotes cheating, and which nothing is or has been done about for years!

Disappointed. =/

[Rosina]

The funny thing to me is that the community reps here all play or used to play FFXI anyway... and I'll bet money that they did/do use windower, so they completely understand what we're saying.



Worst...

Argument...

Ever! (but at least you use /echo and not /say I guess)

not all ffxi players used windower....

And never said it was an arguement. But w.e

[Rosina]

Neither.



And as such, you may have anticipated it. But it doesn't make the reply any more valid.

pretty much there have been @ least 12 gear swap threads on ffxiv which are either locked, or met with a similar reply that was put here.

But reality is i'm with yall... even posted a suggestion if macro room is limited. Just make equiment "books" similar to macro books. Have seys of equipment soved up for each jpb so u can just use a single macro line to swap put a full set of gear. That should not only dave macro room. But free up mavro lines to play multiple skills under 1 macro.

[saevel]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

Oki those are understandable reasons for one line per macro and no looping / calling.

Those don't describe the reason for only 6 lines per macro on the PC version. What is limiting SE from adding 18~20 lines for a single macro on a PC client? There is more then sufficient hard disk space and memory space to accommodate this change. PS2 / 360 should also be able to do this as your not on more then macro pallet at a time.

[Monchat]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

well tell your dev team to stop the UI upgrades now. wtf bullshit policy is that. stop wasting your time on HD icon and other non sense and learn what players want: easy to use interface. We saw what the reaction was when they tried to mimic the same crap inteface and macros in FF14.