NEO Nyzul 2.0

[wish12oz]

this is 100% wrong, it is very luck based try telling that to a run where we probably jumped i think it was 21 times and was still on floor 62 with alot of 2-4 jumps. We cleared the floors fast like allways but if you cant get those big jumps it does not matter how good of a group it is unless your cheating hardcore you will not win. Last run we did again was luck based we got to floor 95 then jumped to floor 100 killed it with 1 min to spare if it landed on any other floor unless it was a really quick floor like 1 enemy in the next room we would have lost. That is again more luck based on what type and how big of a floor it is.

It's only luck based if you're bad at the game. If you can clear X number of floors you will win Y% of the time. Y will never be 100% unless you can clear 50 floors. Your 1 bad experiance does not mean the event is poorly designed, it just means that was your bad run. I'm sure youve had some where you won in 13~ jumps, which counters the 25~ required jump floors.

I have won 6 out of roughly 30-40 times

If you've done 35 runs and won 6, thats a 17% win rate, which is really good, and right where you should be if your group averages 16-18 floors per run. Good job to you for that, but seriously, you're complaining unnecessarily. If you had been doing the event since it was released, you would be done by now. And seriously, I would be willing to bet anything your average floor jumps per run is in the 17~ range.

I have won 6 out of roughly 30-40 times and your lieing to yourself if you think this is not luck based. Sure its not hard and it requires alot of attempts you just need to keep trying till you get that lucky run you need.

It's not luck based. If you can clear X number of floors on average you will win Y% of the time. Sure sometimes you will get really bad floor jumps, but sometimes you will get really awesome floor jumps too, and that will make up for the bad jumps when you look at the average after a long time. How lucky you get on 4 of out of 5 sets of floor jumps doesnt matter, because for your group, that 5th run will be amazing and you will get to floor 100.

That's what it is already, no ? Except the noobs are the ones claiming they are skilled when they have 100% cheats.

Sounds like someones jealous. But dont worry gchan, if you just try, maybe in like 6 months you can get that thaumas set for your monk and not be a gimp.

[Aisu]

I'm sorry you must not know what luck means sure you can do maths and work out averages like my group as you said is on average. But winning 2 100's is lucky in 3 runs then loseing 11 in a row is unlucky, you can work out averages but luck is the essence of how fortunate one is at a given time. Everything can be averaged out with a good sample size of data and i very well understand if i lose 1 run, chances of me winning are to go up if i keep at it. Jumping 22 floors and landing on floor 64, if that is not unlucky then i dont know what is and winning a floor 100 with more then 5 mins left is lucky. The event is not hard at all but if you can not get the average to large jumps then you will not win which was my point. you must not be able to read also i never said it was badly designed pls look again, i just quoted a bad run which was an unlucky run for my group. Please before replying again go look up what lucky and unlucky means.

[Camiie]

Sounds like someones jealous. But dont worry gchan, if you just try, maybe in like 6 months you can get that thaumas set for your monk and not be a gimp.

So if someone doesn't have a thaumas set they are gimp? Is this gear rare and special or just standard fare?

[MarkovChain]

Sounds like someones jealous. But dont worry gchan, if you just try, maybe in like 6 months you can get that thaumas set for your monk and not be a gimp.

It's ok Nyzlulz gear is only a sidegrade to abyssea (at least it's not a downgrade like legion/abyssea/lamebus/VW right ?), but I can understand why BG losers stress on Nyzul. Maybe it reminds them of when their forum actually meant shit ? When cheating was badass. Also salvage is coming out soon, we'll have a good laugh.

Also the devs need to say something about cheating. They have been acting like it doesn't exist so far yet the lamp dat numbers have supposedely been changed with the VU. Can you guyz stop being giant hypocrites already ?

[FrankReynolds]

So if someone doesn't have a thaumas set they are gimp? Is this gear rare and special or just standard fare?

Wish can't respond right now. he / she's busy over at change.org telling warren buffet to stop complaining about unfair taxes and be less poor.

[saevel]

Well, first off. Boss floors should never be a time waster for you. If they are, then you're fighting them wrong. Use Fanatic's against Floor 20/40/60/80 bosses and Fool's on floor 100. Your complaints generally make it sound like you need more damage. My group was WAR, THF (me), DRG, WAR, SCH, SCH. I probably should have been on WAR for more damage, but they liked me on THF for Collaborator when someone was dying and there wasn't a Scholar nearby. IMOP, it's not worth it for TH on the 99 boss especially as your group gets close to capping out.

That said, I wouldn't even venture in to NI on my PS2 with Order lamps as they are now. The odds of getting them are fairly low, but I'd still expect to see about one set per run on average and that's a little more rage than I need in my day-to-day playing.

This is just the standard "suck less!!!" argument. Damage is not the issue, not even close. WAR (Ukko) WAR (Rag) DRK (Rag) DRG (non-Relic) SCH SCH. Everything dies instantly. The floors are simply too big, splitting up helps but when your "kill all" includes two to three NMs that's not always wise, at least keep in pairs. Without those secret ninja techniques you use your not going to get from start to the back corridors, while killing everything, in the prescribed time limit. 100% isn't even fast enough.

It's just random luck, the game has far more ways to screw you over then just giving you bad jumps. Enemy Leader can be particularly evil, that custard comes to mind, or the "no WS" while fighting the bomb rat that runs away. Lamps honestly aren't that hard, just have vent / TS / skype and their pretty easy. Of course their only that easy with certain special ninja techniques.

I'm not for making it "Easier", I'm for removing the pure random crab. Remove the random "screw you" restrictions that can happen on floors. Make those random boss floors (20/40/60/80) able to be skipped with a small time penalty. And like someone else said, make lobby time not count and a small 60s extension after you kill the predetermined boss. None of these make it "easier" you still need to deal with the same lamps, kill all, enemy leader, and random jumps, you just remove the random middle finger SE gives you.

[hiko]

I have won 6 out of roughly 30-40 times and your lieing to yourself if you think this is not luck based. Sure its not hard and it requires alot of attempts you just need to keep trying till you get that lucky run you need.

grats your group got ~40 top items in 30-40 1/2h run. that's better than any event in ffxi .

and no, it's not only luck. A group getting exact same jump/floor than you got but with "weaker" DD's would time out on runs you cleared. even if nyzul is 75%luck 25%skill it's till better than VW that is 95%luck 5%skill
only "issue" with NIUR is that using 3rd pt tool lower the luck factor.

[Benihana]

It's ok Nyzlulz gear is only a sidegrade to abyssea (at least it's not a downgrade like legion/abyssea/lamebus/VW right ?), but I can understand why BG losers stress on Nyzul. Maybe it reminds them of when their forum actually meant shit ? When cheating was badass. Also salvage is coming out soon, we'll have a good laugh.

Also the devs need to say something about cheating. They have been acting like it doesn't exist so far yet the lamp dat numbers have supposedely been changed with the VU. Can you guyz stop being giant hypocrites already ?

lmao.

Delusional. haha

[Aisu]

grats your group got ~40 top items in 30-40 1/2h run. that's better than any event in ffxi .

and no, it's not only luck. A group getting exact same jump/floor than you got but with "weaker" DD's would time out on runs you cleared. even if nyzul is 75%luck 25%skill it's till better than VW that is 95%luck 5%skill
only "issue" with NIUR is that using 3rd pt tool lower the luck factor.

I never said it was 100% luck based and those weaker DD group could still win if they know what they are doing and had a lucky run. I dont win alot like i said im probably averaging about 1/5-6 runs, even if your the best group in the world you can't gaurentee a win getting 3-4 jumps alot because that is just pure unlucky. lucky and unlucky are just sayings to explain how fortunate one is, scientifically there is no such thing as luck since everything can be worked out mathimatically with probabilty and avergaes like wish said but people just dont seem to understand they are just sayings. Luck is what you make of it.

[detlef]

Getting one multiple job best-in slot piece of gear for every member of the group once a week is really good.