NEO Nyzul 2.0

[Dreamin]

I only did 25~ runs and I only got 1 order floor every 2 or 3 runs. If you want specifics check the BG thread, lots of people posted their jump orders and what floors they got.



It is like talking to a brick wall, you need to just accept that theres an event you actually have to get good gear and competent players for to clear. And after that you need to go and make some friends and try harder.

I've read and follow that BG thread. There has YET to be any real proven report of ANYONE that has won a SINGLE time without using CHEATs or 3rd PARTY tools. I said proven because even the reported JP video only shows the view of 1 person and they have an amazingly lucky floor jump which to me seems to have fitted more to Tanaka's original intent than anything else.

Again, I've said dont show me 1's or 2's of ppl's floor jumping. And also, those that posted those are only posting their WIN floor jumps. And also, small sample size = meaningless exercise.

As for the 'spreadsheet' that most BG that keeps quoting. Remember, the stopper completely changes the jumping from a RNG number generator game into something a little different too as you approaches your desired floor.

I honestly do not want to go into a whole lecture and explanations on what probability and statistics are and how they are applied to the real world vs on paper, etc.

Again, my point here is to explain why so many 'angry' non-3rd party tools users are posting regarding this topic, because apparently, these TOOLS and CHEATS are beating Tanaka's LUCK and they do not or want to use these tools and they wanted SE to change it so that TOOLS cannot replace LUCK. But instead of just asking for mass banning, they are saying to SE here, that look, clearly your LUCK factor can be defeated by these TOOLs, so how about just fixing the event so that this whole LUCK factor will no longer be the DOMINATING factor in ever reaching 100th so that the event would be BALANCED in such a way that EVERYONE can have the same LEVEL playing field.

It isn't and shouldn't be the debate on whether using tools are cheats or not. Every sane person on BG agrees that using tools = cheats already. It's totally NOT about that. It's about having event that is TRULY BALANCED in the sense that EVERYONE has the SAME and FAIR shot at meeting the challenge of the event and NOT just a selected group of individuals who decided to use TOOLS and CHEATS.

[wish12oz]

I've read and follow that BG thread. There has YET to be any real proven report of ANYONE that has won a SINGLE time without using CHEATs or 3rd PARTY tools. I said proven because even the reported JP video only shows the view of 1 person and they have an amazingly lucky floor jump.

So theres no proof that no one won without hacks? lol, there's no proof only cheaters win either. Works both ways there guy, why dont you prove everyone with f100 gear cheated. I can tell you I've done a few runs completely legit with gimp jobs and won, but I doubt that would work for you since theres no videos of every single person at the runs.

Again, I've said dont show me 1's or 2's of ppl's floor jumping. And also, those that posted those are only posting their WIN floor jumps. And also, small sample size = meaningless exercise.

Why are you asking for samples than trying to discredit the only ones available? Is it because they'd just prove me to be right? lol

As for the 'spreadsheet' that most BG that keeps quoting. Remember, the stopper completely changes the jumping from a RNG number generator game into something a little different too as you approaches your desired floor.

It accounted for the stopper, and there's even probabilities for not having a stopper, and even some for 1-9 floor jumps and 1-10 floor jumps.

I honestly do not want to go into a whole lecture and explanations on what probability and statistics are and how they are applied to the real world vs on paper, etc.

Of course you don't want to do this, because it would just prove me right. That or to quote someone somewhere else, it's because you can't.

Keep trying to discredit that JP video too, just because you cant do it doesnt mean other people cant.

EDIT:: Anyway, Im tired of this thread again, see you all tomorrow or later if I get bored again.

[Demon6324236]

If you win 10-30% off the time, thats not luck. Winning 10-30% of the time requires clearing 16-17 floors on average. Once you can do that its no longer luck. If you do 1000's of runs you will average out to this number, thats the way it works. You'll get super bad runs, and youll get super easy runs, thats not important.

You are using logical math but this is luck, math doesn't apply to luck as we wish it did, if so then everyone with 100+ runs of a VWNM should have all its gear, this is not the case. Logical math does not work against random numbers and luck, you can roll a 6 sided die and get 6 100 times in a row, it is very very unlikely but it is possible, mathematically you should roll about 17 of each number, but you get 100 6s instead, at the same time you could get 100 1s.

I understand you have gotten lucky and you are a skilled player, you think that luck has no meaning. I will agree, luck has less meaning if you can make the time cuts on floors to give you more time for more floors. But if your only getting 2~3 floor jumps your entire run or you get bad floors like lamps, alot of kill alls, and spec enemys that are across the area, you will never win that run. Luck exists in this event, and it does beat you, skill matters too as it lets you do more floors in less time but luck will always play a factor in it, because its random parts that make up what it is.

Please try to understand what I'm trying to tell you, if even 1 single part in this is random, its luck based even a small bit, this has a great amount of parts in it that depend on random things, and so luck is a major factor.

[Gokku]

Im with demon , minus our initial runs our group has a 60% win rate and that 40% loss is when RNG fucks us hard im talking troll boss with no ws's and Pleiades Ray: AoE (approx 10') ~500 damage and Paralyze (weak), Blind, Poison, Plague, Bind, Silence, and a weak Slow (overwritten by haste). Not used until 20% HP. getting spammed in your face and mind purger mini boss 2-3 times in the run or the pdt flan 2-3 times.

[Fupafighter]

@Monchat. Sorry I use skill and time my weaponskills like a good samurai for a chance at procing hassozanshin and getting a free SC...didnt know that made me a noob. And I would gladly take a 10% win rate without cheats. If you need to cheat to get stuff, why even play?.....

[FrankReynolds]

I go to Vegas and win at the slot machines almost every time, because I have mad skills yo! All those losers complaining about bad luck need to get better at slot machines, because they are entirely skill based.

[Fupafighter]

I go to Vegas and win at the slot machines almost every time, because I have mad skills yo! All those losers complaining about bad luck need to get better at slot machines, because they are entirely skill based.

You weren't winning the slot machines with yo kannagi nin lemme tell you that >.>

[Benihana]

You weren't winning the slot machines with yo kannagi nin lemme tell you that >.>

or without money to begin with. lol

[FrankReynolds]

You weren't winning the slot machines with yo kannagi nin lemme tell you that >.>

Is it because I don't have a FUPA? Or is it because I'm on one of my other 20+ jobs that I have leveled between my characters? Get a life and quit stalking my AH profile loser.

[Fupafighter]

Is it because I don't have a FUPA? Or is it because I'm on one of my other 20+ jobs that I have leveled between my characters? Get a life and quit stalking my AH profile loser.

Didn't know having 20 jobs made you good at this game, I thought it was the opposite. I was just clearly going on about how you used to think nin was good for neo nyzle lol. Saying its damage was fine compared to other DD. lol.